2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Sandman]

They can keep McGroarty, Lambert, and Lucius. We’ll take Perfetti!!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sec214

That contract never gets moved. Vegas got out of it like bandits.

It then got moved again when the Canucks made out like bandits. Either way if the Jets were willing to throw in an extra first I would take the contract.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Perfect guy to target
Not going to be a top line player but could be a really effective second liner
Last year took a step and then just everything has gone wrong for him
Buy low

I would love to get him, just don’t think the 20 games this year are a better indicator than the 82 games last year.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Perfect guy to target
Not going to be a top line player but could be a really effective second liner
Last year took a step and then just everything has gone wrong for him
Buy low

Overrated because of his former 2nd overall draft status IMO

Teams chase these types for years hoping they just need a fresh start until they eventually fizzle out never having made a formidable impact on an NHL roster.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Overrated because of his former 2nd overall draft status IMO

Teams chase these types for years hoping they just need a fresh start until they eventually fizzle out never having made a formidable impact on an NHL roster.

Why is he overrated beyond the easy assessment of his ‘draft position’?

What exactly is your opinion?

Where are the deficiencies in his game?

What is the gap between his expected play & actual performance?

Smart teams pounce on opportunities like this. If they see a fit with their team and coaching staff/strengths.

The Golden Knights did the exact same thing when they had their eyes on Chandler Stephenson & made the Caps an offer when they knew they were in a cap crunch.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Rangers, Colorado, Dallas and Winnipeg are the four teams I’m hearing… Believe it’s Rangers and Colorado keeping things “Hot”.

Here’s my attempt at returns from each team for Lindholm (50% retained). I’m going to assume the most NHL-ready top prospects that could contribute in this year’s playoffs are probably the least likely for these teams to trade because those are the guys that could be needed if injuries come up. Playoff teams like to keep guys like those around.

Rangers: 2024 1st round pick + Gabe Perrault
Avalanche: 2024 1st round pick + Callum Ritchie
Stars: 2024 1st round pick + 2024 2nd round pick + Christian Kyrou
Jets: 2024 1st round pick + 2024 2nd round pick + Brad Lambert

The Rangers and Avalanche prospects that I’m putting into these trades are a higher level prospect IMO than the ones I’m putting in from Dallas and Winnipeg so I don’t include a 2nd round pick with them. For each of these prospects, I just looked at the NHL.com top five prospect rankings within each organization. I picked either the 4th or 5th-ranked top prospect and made sure they weren’t a player projected to make their team this season. Some of these prospects might still be too elite though to be considered in a trade for a Lindholm rental.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Getting info that full retention is on the table for Lindholm and is approved by the owner if it increases the return**.

Spicey

[Sandman]

Ok, I wasn't going to post this, but these rumors come from some guy named Rob Ellis, from a site called NhlTradeRumor. He's obviously trying to be the next Eklund, so I don't need to say it, but huge grain of salt:

From CGY: Tanev (50% retained), Ruzicka
From NYR: Kakko, Schneider, 2024 2nd-round Pick

From CGY: Markstrom, Hanifin, Coronato
From NJD: Vanacek, Foote, Nemec, 2024 1st-rounder

Just for s**ts and giggles.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Ok, I wasn't going to post this, but these rumors come from some guy named Rob Ellis, from a site called NhlTradeRumor. He's obviously trying to be the next Eklund, so I don't need to say it, but huge grain of salt:

From CGY: Tanev (50% retained), Ruzicka
From NYR: Kakko, Schneider, 2024 2nd-round Pick

From CGY: Markstrom, Hanifin, Coronato
From NJD: Vanacek, Foote, Nemec, 2024 1st-rounder

Just for s**ts and giggles.

These were discussed a few pages ago and dismissed as fan fiction

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Ok, I wasn't going to post this, but these rumors come from some guy named Rob Ellis, from a site called NhlTradeRumor. He's obviously trying to be the next Eklund, so I don't need to say it, but huge grain of salt:

From CGY: Tanev (50% retained), Ruzicka
From NYR: Kakko, Schneider, 2024 2nd-round Pick

From CGY: Markstrom, Hanifin, Coronato
From NJD: Vanacek, Foote, Nemec, 2024 1st-rounder

Just for s**ts and giggles.

Check post #15314

[Sandman]

Sorry guys!

[Roof-Daddy]

Yikes

Vanacek and Foote are nothing but throw ins, Kakko is verging on bust status and has limited offensive potential.

The best pieces would be Nemec and Schneider who both have limited offensive potential as NHLers and more likely to be mobile defensive Dmen.

That would not be a good return at all IMO

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yikes

Vanacek and Foote are nothing but throw ins, Kakko is verging on bust status and has limited offensive potential.

The best pieces would be Nemec and Schneider who both have limited offensive potential as NHLers and more likely to be mobile defensive Dmen.

That would not be a good return at all IMO

Gotta respectfully disagree with you on a few points:

Agreed on Vanacek and Foote, although if Foote develops like an Adam Lowry, you've struck gold. Kakko was trending up before this year, which has been a disaster for him, but he had a respectable 17 points in 48 games in his 19 yo season, 18 in 43 the following season, then 40 points last year as a 21 yo- very good production. I have no doubt he could be a first-line RW by the time he's 25-26.

Nemec will an elite two-way player, and I have no doubts that he has offense in him- perhaps even point-per-game scoring potential in his prime.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yikes

Vanacek and Foote are nothing but throw ins, Kakko is verging on bust status and has limited offensive potential.

The best pieces would be Nemec and Schneider who both have limited offensive potential as NHLers and more likely to be mobile defensive Dmen.

That would not be a good return at all IMO

Kakko, Schneider and a 2nd for Tanev would be an incredible return.

Like it's unbelieveable fan fiction from capfriendly's trade generator that is never happening but it would be an incredible return.

If you think that's not a good return then you're going to be very dissapointed in the return for Tanev when he's moved.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yikes

Vanacek and Foote are nothing but throw ins, Kakko is verging on bust status and has limited offensive potential.

The best pieces would be Nemec and Schneider who both have limited offensive potential as NHLers and more likely to be mobile defensive Dmen.

That would not be a good return at all IMO

Nemec confidently tracks to be a top pairing dman. If only we could actually get a prospect that good. I doubt we can

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Avalanche: 2024 1st round pick + Callum Ritchie

Add another high end asset from Colorado and the Flames also take RyJo back in the deal. Helps COL immensely capwise, CGY has no problem with cap next year. RyJo can play 2C then get traded next year with retention for more assets.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Rutger McGroarty RW would be a nice get in any deal with the Jets. As Aarongavey suggests, taking back Schmidt and his contract to sweeten the return would be a shrewd move.

I wouldn’t be very interested in McGroarty, lacks footspeed to succeed at NHL level. I think he will end up being a 3rd liner.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I wouldn’t be very interested in McGroarty, lacks footspeed to succeed at NHL level. I think he will end up being a 3rd liner.

In my humble opinion, his skating won't be an issue at the next level. He's improved his speed every year since his draft-minus-1 year, and it didn't look that bad at the WJC (still needs work though). He has the work-ethic and competitive fire to keep improving.

I love this player, along with other American players, like Snuggerud, Gauthier, Smith, Perreault, Moore, and Leonard. I've watched plenty of McGroarty, and he's a top-6 power forward in the NHL all day long. He reminds me of a more skilled, higher IQ Boone Jenner- or maybe a poor man's Tkachuk. He thinks the game well, works hard, plays physical, can be nasty, and is a real leader. McG was a PPG player in his first year of NCAA, and has 18 points in just 13 games this season, very good production.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

In my humble opinion, his skating won't be an issue at the next level. He's improved his speed every year since his draft-minus-1 year, and it didn't look that bad at the WJC (still needs work though). He has the work-ethic and competitive fire to keep improving.

I love this player, along with other American players, like Snuggerud, Gauthier, Smith, Perreault, Moore, and Leonard. I've watched plenty of McGroarty, and he's a top-6 power forward in the NHL all day long. He reminds me of a more skilled, higher IQ Boone Jenner- or maybe a poor man's Tkachuk. He thinks the game well, works hard, plays physical, can be nasty, and is a real leader. McG was a PPG player in his first year of NCAA, and has 18 points in just 13 games this season, very good production.

I always love your analysis Sandman, very much appreciate your research and evaluation of prospects and young players. I agree with you he has competitive fire and work ethic, but as mentioned before I'm just not sure he has the speed to generate offense at the NHL level (understanding that is not the only factor) and may not quite be big enough. He may end up being a second line winger tasked with doing a lot of the dirty work, but not sure I vision him as a point producer. I think he would be a very good third liner in the NHL and would be a player you could move up and down the line up as required which indeed has value.

You admittedly are probably correct as you have maybe seen more of him than I. I have watched him closely in the US games at the World Junior (lucky enough to be at the tourney in person) and I just view him a little differently. Part of it could be that the US team also has so many of those highly skilled shifty type players on their roster that he looks much different since his style of game is definitely cut from a different cloth.

Getting McGroarty and high pick would be a win in a Lindholm trade, just don't think the Jets would do that as Lindholm is likely a pure rental in Winnipeg.

[Sofa GM]

Apologize for the question as it has probably been asked and answered numerous times on this thread already.

If a sign and trade is to happen with any of our players, are we able to retain on the final year of their existing deal as part of the trade or does that ability go away when the new deal is signed prior to being dealt.