2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I always love your analysis Sandman, very much appreciate your research and evaluation of prospects and young players. I agree with you he has competitive fire and work ethic, but as mentioned before I'm just not sure he has the speed to generate offense at the NHL level (understanding that is not the only factor) and may not quite be big enough. He may end up being a second line winger tasked with doing a lot of the dirty work, but not sure I vision him as a point producer. I think he would be a very good third liner in the NHL and would be a player you could move up and down the line up as required which indeed has value.

You admittedly are probably correct as you have maybe seen more of him than I. I have watched him closely in the US games at the World Junior (lucky enough to be at the tourney in person) and I just view him a little differently. Part of it could be that the US team also has so many of those highly skilled shifty type players on their roster that he looks much different since his style of game is definitely cut from a different cloth.

Getting McGroarty and high pick would be a win in a Lindholm trade, just don't think the Jets would do that as Lindholm is likely a pure rental in Winnipeg.

Thanks Sofa! I respect your opinion, and at the end of the day- my opinion is no better or worse than anybody else's. It's nice that we can discuss/debate/disagree without insults, or hurt feelings, lol....

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I always love your analysis Sandman, very much appreciate your research and evaluation of prospects and young players. I agree with you he has competitive fire and work ethic, but as mentioned before I'm just not sure he has the speed to generate offense at the NHL level (understanding that is not the only factor) and may not quite be big enough. He may end up being a second line winger tasked with doing a lot of the dirty work, but not sure I vision him as a point producer. I think he would be a very good third liner in the NHL and would be a player you could move up and down the line up as required which indeed has value.

You admittedly are probably correct as you have maybe seen more of him than I. I have watched him closely in the US games at the World Junior (lucky enough to be at the tourney in person) and I just view him a little differently. Part of it could be that the US team also has so many of those highly skilled shifty type players on their roster that he looks much different since his style of game is definitely cut from a different cloth.

Getting McGroarty and high pick would be a win in a Lindholm trade, just don't think the Jets would do that as Lindholm is likely a pure rental in Winnipeg.

Speed and skating is definitely a concern. Do you remember which player many fans were also concerned about their skating ability? Matthew Tkachuk. I'm definitely not predicting McGroarty to score 100 points and lead his team to the Stanley Cup, but he has other factors that will help him be a factor in the NHL.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Buff

Speed and skating is definitely a concern. Do you remember which player many fans were also concerned about their skating ability? Matthew Tkachuk. I'm definitely not predicting McGroarty to score 100 points and lead his team to the Stanley Cup, but he has other factors that will help him be a factor in the NHL.

I will say when Tkachuk is producing on offense it kind of masks his skating deficiencies but when he's not producing like this season it's more noticeable.

[Badgers Nose]

A haul of assets from the Avs + RJo sounds like a great trade for the Flames.

I hope this gets settled quickly. There is a lot of work to do before the TDL.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Here’s my attempt at returns from each team for Lindholm (50% retained). I’m going to assume the most NHL-ready top prospects that could contribute in this year’s playoffs are probably the least likely for these teams to trade because those are the guys that could be needed if injuries come up. Playoff teams like to keep guys like those around.

Rangers: 2024 1st round pick + Gabe Perrault
Avalanche: 2024 1st round pick + Callum Ritchie
Stars: 2024 1st round pick + 2024 2nd round pick + Christian Kyrou
Jets: 2024 1st round pick + 2024 2nd round pick + Brad Lambert

The Rangers and Avalanche prospects that I’m putting into these trades are a higher level prospect IMO than the ones I’m putting in from Dallas and Winnipeg so I don’t include a 2nd round pick with them. For each of these prospects, I just looked at the NHL.com top five prospect rankings within each organization. I picked either the 4th or 5th-ranked top prospect and made sure they weren’t a player projected to make their team this season. Some of these prospects might still be too elite though to be considered in a trade for a Lindholm rental.

I appreciate that you put some rationale in there but I think that we're unlikely to get what is basically the equivalency of two first round draft picks for our rentals. I mean if the Jet's are willing to give us a 1st round pick and a 20 year old 2022 1st round pick PPG AHL'er who at one time had juice to be #1 OA (before becoming a faller) then they can keep the 2nd round pick and Conroy should yell "Start the Car!"

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Buff

Speed and skating is definitely a concern. Do you remember which player many fans were also concerned about their skating ability? Matthew Tkachuk. I'm definitely not predicting McGroarty to score 100 points and lead his team to the Stanley Cup, but he has other factors that will help him be a factor in the NHL.

I understand what you are saying, but I don’t think McGroarty has anywhere near the skillset offense wise that Matthew Tkachuk has or had coming out of the draft

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Apologize for the question as it has probably been asked and answered numerous times on this thread already.

If a sign and trade is to happen with any of our players, are we able to retain on the final year of their existing deal as part of the trade or does that ability go away when the new deal is signed prior to being dealt.

I think in order to make it work the sign part is not really part of the trade. I believe if a player has an extension signed starting next year and there is salary retained it will be for as long as that player is signed and won’t end at the end of the current contract.

Easy workaround is the player and new team agree to a deal in principle and sign the contract after the trade so it would technically not be a sign and trade. If we move a guy before the deadline the new team can still offer 8 years.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Something is cooking and it’s been a busier than normal day for Craig.

I’ve herd that two teams are being aggressive in the their desire to acquire NHL Allstar Elias Lindholm.

This is a ploy so that Coleman is the Flames' rep at the Allstar game.

[Toonage]

Who was it that was traded recently just prior to the All Star game? Did they end up serving with their old team or their new team but representing the other conference? Something was weird I thought.

[SuperMatt18]

The whole team conference thing this time won't matter as much since it's drafted teams.

It was weird last year since Horvat got moved from Pacific to Metro division before the game and think he still played in Pacific.

[Toonage]

That's right, and thank you for clearing up who that was

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I appreciate that you put some rationale in there but I think that we're unlikely to get what is basically the equivalency of two first round draft picks for our rentals. I mean if the Jet's are willing to give us a 1st round pick and a 20 year old 2022 1st round pick PPG AHL'er who at one time had juice to be #1 OA (before becoming a faller) then they can keep the 2nd round pick and Conroy should yell "Start the Car!"

That’s probably a fair assessment. Those are all high-end prospects so they might be too much for a rental. These might be more realistic returns for Lindholm (50% retained) then:


Rangers: 2024 1st round pick + 2nd round pick + Zac Jones
Avalanche: 2024 1st round pick + Mikhail Gulyayev
Stars: 2024 1st round pick + 2024 2nd round pick + Christian Kyrou
Jets: 2024 1st round pick + 2024 2nd round pick + Dimitry Kuzmin

Outside of Gulyayev, I would consider all of those guys B-level prospects. Gulyayev might be more of an A- but it’s early in his development. On the safe side, I did not include a 2nd round pick from the avalanche if he is included.

[Tbull8]

Lambert would be a dream of an add. Still can't believe he fell as far as he did in his draft.

[TheIronMaiden]

I ####ing love Blake Coleman. He is my favorite Flame.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Lambert would be a dream of an add. Still can't believe he fell as far as he did in his draft.

Has motivation issues.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Toonage

That's right, and thank you for clearing up who that was

The other time I remember was 1990. Bernie Nicholls was traded from LA to NYR on the Saturday and the All-Star game was on Sunday. He stayed with the Campbell team for that but I remember the announcers having fun with Nicholls playing for Campbell but he was now in the Wales conference.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Something is cooking and it’s been a busier than normal day for Craig.

I’ve herd that two teams are being aggressive in the their desire to acquire NHL Allstar Elias Lindholm.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I appreciate that you put some rationale in there but I think that we're unlikely to get what is basically the equivalency of two first round draft picks for our rentals. I mean if the Jet's are willing to give us a 1st round pick and a 20 year old 2022 1st round pick PPG AHL'er who at one time had juice to be #1 OA (before becoming a faller) then they can keep the 2nd round pick and Conroy should yell "Start the Car!"

I know they are just fans but Jets fans seem fine with Lambert/Lucious and Avs fans seem fine with Ritchie in addition to a 1st for the most part.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think his (or her) point is valid
Calling out a poster, out of the blue, only restarts things

Especially when said poster was warned.

Give them the space to prove the warning was received.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I understand what you are saying, but I don’t think McGroarty has anywhere near the skillset offense wise that Matthew Tkachuk has or had coming out of the draft

Yeah Tkachuk has an unreal hockey IQ and one of the bets players around the net in the league.
I like McGroarty but I too think that he's probably a middle 6 forward, most likely 3rd liner, in the NHL.
I actually see him similar to Blake Coleman in terms of the type of career he will have.