2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Two NHL teams have now decided they're okay with losing him for nothing.
I don't know much about him as I haven't watched a lot of Caps and Leafs games, but I would think that's pretty telling.

Yeah that’s true. Maybe he’s a headcase too.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

It isn't revisionist they had regular season success, is that the point of signing big name free agents? Going to the 2nd round isn't a big accomplishment, it shouldn't be looked at as success.

The point is obviously to go further, but getting to the cup is usually preceded by steps in that direction, and that’s what they took. Just because it fell apart in the offseason doesn’t mean the team that had been built up until that point wasn’t ready to compete for anything. That’s revisionist history.

Originally Posted by Redrum

They basically had to take the step. The window was tiny because they refused to rebuild properly 10 years ago, but we had to give term to get somebody, even if it was the wrong choice. So here we are with our 1 year window over, stuck with the long term contract that only does us harm now.

The window was tiny because Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving closed it, not because they didn’t rebuild properly.

Teams rebuild to get players like Tkachuk. We had him. We lost him. Doesn’t mean we didn’t rebuild properly to get him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No thanks. I see nothing in this guy but a bottom 6 depth player. We can do better.

For Tanev? Maybe. But even if the Flames get a 1st for Tanev (which isn’t guaranteed), the odds aren’t great that a player drafted 20th-32nd will turn out better than Macleod. Given Conroy’s declared strategy of trying to turn things around quickly, I wouldn’t hate a deal that turned a 34 year old 2nd pairing D on an expiring contract into a big, fast 25 year old two-way C on pace for 15-20 goals.

[Enoch Root]

I wouldn't hate McLeod as the centerpiece for Tanev, if the returns for Lindholm and Hanifin focus more on picks and prospects.

Losing Lindholm will create a huge hole at C, and McLeod would help tremendously.

[Toonage]

Probably been brought up, but doesn't McLeod's brother play for the Oilers? This writes itself.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Probably been brought up, but doesn't McLeod's brother play for the Oilers? This writes itself.

Yes.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What are people's opinion on Siegenthaler in NJ? I noticed that he is on a long term deal that has an NMC kicking in after this season. He only makes $3.4 million a year until 2028 and is 26 years old.

I haven't watched NJ much, but would he be a good piece to get back for an extended Hanifin?

Kind of mediocre but he would be sort of a half baked replacement for Tanev though. Definitely better than Gilbert, Desimone & Osterle at least. In other words, I wouldn't hate this pickup.

Bonus: he's half Thai.

[Tkachukwagon]

Get your minds around it Devils fans, it’s happening:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1741515793932902713

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Get your minds around it Devils fans, it’s happening:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1741515793932902713

They are players the Devils need, but they haven’t watched Tanev much. He doesn’t “dummy” opponents. He just plays great positional defence, wins pucks and usually exits smartly.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Ok so let's take a look at what NJD has to work with.
2024 picks: 1st, 3rd (no 2nd)
2025 picks: They have them all still
2026 picks: they have them all still.

So lots to work with there

Prospects:
Nemec (no way)
Foote (not really interested)
Casey (that's who I would target)
Holtz (would love him instead of Mcleod but probably not possible)
Lenni Hammenaho (I think Sandman has posted about him, so let's get him)
Graeme Clark (meh)
Chase Stillman (meh)

So let's say McLeod, protected 1st, and Casey or Hammenaho for Markstrom and Tanev?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They are players the Devils need, but they haven’t watched Tanev much. He doesn’t “dummy” opponents. He just plays great positional defence, wins pucks and usually exits smartly.

Tanev is truly a player you don't appreciate unless you watch him regularly. Certainly that was the case for me.
He is a far better player than I realized.

[Sec214]

Let’s set somethings straight.

Markstrom is willing to move if the team doesn’t want him or is planning to lean closer to a rebuild than a retool (The line is very similar for the flames). However Marky is an asset you move because the offer is to good not to and not because you have too. Vladar is the latter.

Noah is shaping up to be a sign and trade. There is multiple teams interested, the proposed contract offer was a leak of his agent team so other teams know where his camp would like to be on his next contract.

Flames do not want to move Tanev and this is the message other teams are getting to drive up the price. This could be a very classic go chase a cup and resign back in Calgary. He loves Calgary, his family loves it here. Toronto makes the most sense here but flames aren’t going to be giving tre any edge.

Blake Coleman could be the surprise move for the flames however unlikely without retention.

Lindholm is going to be traded as a rental, I would be shocked if there was a sign and trade here. Multiple teams are interested.

I’ll try and provide more detailed information in the early new year.


Please have fun if you’re celebrating the new year, don’t drink and drive.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Get your minds around it Devils fans, it’s happening:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1741515793932902713

Man, if they're expecting Tanev to be a bully on the ice, they're going to be disappointed.
Like, he's an absolute warrior, and we're going to miss him, but that's definitely not his game.

[bluejays]

Cool. Sounds like a few balls in the air. Really hope value is brought back with whatever deals are out there.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Get your minds around it Devils fans, it’s happening:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1741515793932902713

The picks/prospects are a whole different story if it's Hanifin instead of Tanev. I would accept that for Tanev and Markstrom but if it's Hanifin they need to include a better piece like Holtz.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Why was Markstrom given a NMC?



1) He demanded one from the Canucks and that's where negotiations fell apart - he wanted to make sure that he didn't end up going to Seattle in the expansion trade. He would not have signed in Calgary - OR ANYWHERE ELSE - without one.


2) It is common for UFAs to demand NMC. Markstrom was clear that he preferred to sign in Calgary if he wasn't going to get a NMC in Vancouver. However, there is zero reasons to assume he would have signed with any other team without having a NMC. I would say not giving him one might have ended up pushing him into Edmonton, or at least somewhere else.


I have zero issues with Markstrom's contract, including his NMC. I am far from a Treliving apologist, but that was a fair contract IMO. In fact, I would say this - Treliving absolutely sucked as a GM in 3 areas:


1) UFA deals helped kill this team
2) Continually trading picks to fill depth
3) Terrible coaching hires
4) Inability to find capable and consistent goaltending


Markstrom was finally the cure for #4. I think he has been good through most of his contract, with last year being the 'blip' year so far. Up until last year, and through this year so far, Markstrom has given the Flames #1 starter consistency. I hope he does get traded as I believe the Flames need a rebuild, and by the time they become competitive again, Markstrom may not even be playing in the NHL. I think the assets gained - especially with retention - are valuable to a rebuild. However, Markstrom's contract is fair, including the NMC.

Since joining the Flames:

90-90 record
.907 SV%
+0.202 GSAE/60
+0.77 Wins above replacement

The guy is mediocre. If you squint and make a slick PPT presentation I might see average. For $6 million.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The picks/prospects are a whole different story if it's Hanifin instead of Tanev. I would accept that for Tanev and Markstrom but if it's Hanifin they need to include a better piece like Holtz.

I'd prefer the Devils trade Holtz vs McLeod. McLeod is the best faceoff guy in the NHL.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I'd prefer the Devils trade Holtz vs McLeod. McLeod is the best faceoff guy in the NHL.

I would prefer it as well, lots of bottom 6 guys are great at faceoffs, I will take the young goal scoring sniper every day.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Tanev is truly a player you don't appreciate unless you watch him regularly. Certainly that was the case for me.
He is a far better player than I realized.

I think this was something I pointed out in the signing thread, as I drunk posted and cried about losing Tanev. Tanev is a guy who makes almost no mistakes. Ever.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Let’s set somethings straight.

{SNIP} …

I’ll try and provide more detailed information in the early new year.

I don't know what to make of any of this. It appears to be written in plain English. Can you translate it into cryptic GIFs for me?