2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I like Yegor but I really like our amateur scouts. Not upset with the trade but given their track record I would take as many magic beans as possible this deadline.

Best available asset 25 or younger.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

February 2022, the Flames trade a first, a fifth, a not great prospect and a bottom six forward for Toffoli. June 2023, Toffoli is coming off a career year as the leading scorer and gets traded for a middle six forward that was a healthy scratch and a third round pick. He's making just over 4 mill a year...

Take a look at the pick Montreal made with that pick. Prospects that make the NHL and can be a player with upside have much more value than a late first round pick.

[Strange Brew]

What was it Sharangovich couldn’t do to crack the top 12 for the Devils in the playoffs? He played in 3 of 12 games and lots of other forwards were cycled through more. Tatar was horrible and played all 12 games. Their PP struggled against the Canes, surely his shot would have helped?

I don’t really get it. I have seen comments like the wer looking for different things from their bottom 6. Like what exactly were they getting from guys like Lazar and Tatar? When he acquired him Conroy praised him for focusing on the defensive side, to an extreme. He’s not the most physical player, but neither are lots of third liners.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I didn’t say I was worried. I said the contract’s short term basically removes any potential upside.

The Flames give out way too many bridge contracts to young players. At some point, they just have to commit. It worked with Andersson, Hanifin, and Lindholm. They should have done everything in their power to give Tkachuk more term (like he wanted).

You don’t have to be an elite player to get term. Nashville gave many years to Jarnkrok and it was a steal.

To win a cup, a team needs optimal cap efficiency. Cap efficiency requires having good players on long value contracts. These contracts are gambles (as they players are often young and unproven), but they are practically necessary. This is one of the main differences between the Jets and the Flames. The Jets have more contractual stability.

The young player also needs to want to sign long term, rather than bet on himself. Moreover, you get the occasional anchors that way as well.

Steinberg was arguing in the offseason that we should give Dube a 6x6! Because he had a 45P season, and he's young. I'm glad the Flames didn't do that.

I'm also happy that we gave Mangiapane only 3 years. Because he isn't living up to the price tag so far in my eyes.

We could've locked up Kylington to 4-6 years as well at a higher cap-hit. In a way I think we got lucky he only got a bridge deal. That said, the team might have been able to terminated the deal, and looked petty as a result.

Bouma was another example, he ended up getting bought out. What if we gave Duehr 3-5 years after last season?

I don't mind the team locking players up long term, but it really needs better scouts, or better talent evaluators at the pro level. I think Conroy is better than Tre at projecting a player's potential, but it's too early to tell.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What was it Sharangovich couldn’t do to crack the top 12 for the Devils in the playoffs?

Meier took his spot and the bottom six were playing well together.

That's it that's all.

Early days, but the trade appears to be win-win for both sides.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And has been said to you a hundred times, no one was giving up firsts this summer. They weren't available.

And Sharangovish isn't a bottom 6 forward

Where did I say Toffoli should have returned a 1st? The entire conversation has been around the remaining UFAs. Of which Lindholm and Hanifin shpuld definitely be able to land 1sts.

Is Sharangovich a top 6? No. So yes he's a bottom 6.

But I wasn't even referring to him specifically. I'm talking about potential returns for our UFAs coming up. Don't waste their value trying to do some half ass win now move and half ass re tool crap they did with Toffoli. We don't need some mediocre player paired with a mediocre draft pick.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Take a look at the pick Montreal made with that pick. Prospects that make the NHL and can be a player with upside have much more value than a late first round pick.

Sure. Then we should be able to trade yegor for a first then?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Best available asset 25 or younger.

Would much prefer that age number to be 23. The Flames won’t be competitive in a serious way until 25 year old assets are almost 30.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Sure. Then we should be able to trade yegor for a first then?

That first was closer to a high second in a not very deep draft as seen by the guys drafted in that range.

Would you trade Sharangovich and Suniev to Montreal right now for everything we gave up in that trade? That’s the question

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Meier took his spot and the bottom six were playing well together.

That's it that's all.

Early days, but the trade appears to be win-win for both sides.

I mean the facts don’t really bear this out. They got pummeled by Carolina, the bottom six was underwater and players were being rotated in and out of the lineup. Tatar for example was awful.

13 forwards played more than he did in the playoffs. He fell out of favor for some reason, can’t just point to one player being acquired.

In any case, if the last 5 games are an indication of the future, he looks like a nice add.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I mean the facts don’t really bear this out. They got pummeled by Carolina, the bottom six was underwater and players were being rotated in and out of the lineup. Tatar for example was awful.



13 forwards played more than he did in the playoffs. He fell out of favor for some reason, can’t just point to one player being acquired.



In any case, if the last 5 games are an indication of the future, he looks like a nice add.

How are you coming to these facts?

I watched the games. He deserved to sit in the press box.

He wasn't killing penalties.

He was awful and got benched several times.

Prior to Meier showing up he was playing on the second line.

If Meier wasn't a Devil we aren't having this conversation.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I mean the facts don’t really bear this out. They got pummeled by Carolina, the bottom six was underwater and players were being rotated in and out of the lineup. Tatar for example was awful.

13 forwards played more than he did in the playoffs. He fell out of favor for some reason, can’t just point to one player being acquired.

In any case, if the last 5 games are an indication of the future, he looks like a nice add.

That would be the same as saying Zary and Pospisil are bad because Sutter wouldn’t play the young kids.

That’s the coaches choice. Some players just need change. Look at how Bennett and Reinheart blossomed in Florida.

I’m quite content with the trade for Sharangovich and I hope this is a glimpse at the future of our pro scouts, while Treliving targets Klingbergs and Reaves.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Would much prefer that age number to be 23. The Flames won’t be competitive in a serious way until 25 year old assets are almost 30.

While I think your point is valid, the one thing often not being considered by the burn to the ground crowd is we have a AHL team that is filled with players ready to make the push for the NHL. Often before you have a successful decade of NHL dominance your AHL program is a top contender. This appears to be year two of such for the wranglers.

Flames will look to bolster their current crop. If the best assets is a draft pick it will be depending on the parter. Some teams organizations are bursting at the pipes and there’s only so many roster spots available.

Going to get interesting for a lot of teams over the next two weeks. Mushy Middle or Playoff/Cup Contenders.

[Tkachukwagon]

Minor trade:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1728810938864955420

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Without the shot, he’ll be like Greer or Duehr . He can be 2 way all he wants and nobody cares

So he's picked to kill penalties over the fourth line guys you list because of his shot?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

As I already said, you can find filler players like Sharangovich in a number of ways. Promoting from within has seemed to work out pretty well as just one example. Sharangovich fills a roster spot, he plays half decent hockey, he likely won't be around when the team is competitive. Don't waste your top assets in Lindholm and Hanifin in similar trades.

If we can land a 1st for a UFA I'll take that over a 2nd and a 25 year old bottom 6 player.

Guys like Zadorov and Tanev if you can get a single 2nd for I'd rather that then some b level prospect and a 4th.

If Sharangovich is a 20 goal 20 assist 40 point player (his pace this year) he's not filler. That's silly.

I get your overall point ... don't aim for middling assets, but moving one year of Toffoli for a guy that posts 0.5 PPG and plays in your middle six and kills penalties while adding a third round pick that looks to be interesting isn't trading for filler.

[CFO]

Flames should be trying to amass 2nd and 3rd round picks. Feel like 1st are much harder to get.

Dube needs to go. A lateral swap for a D would be great. And then move out tanev and zadorov.

[1qqaaz]

I barely care where the Flames finish in the standings because they're very likely to be in the usual mediocre range. It's a foregone conclusion.

I barely care what the Flames get for selling off their pending UFAs. I trust that Conroy would try his hardest to get max value.

Rather, I just want the Flames to actually sell off these assets. Don't extend them to bad contracts. Don't let them walk as UFAs. As long as they're all sold, I'll be content.
The problem is that their simply isn't enough time at the deadline to sell off all of Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Vladar, and maybe Kylington. The cap makes it difficult to do trades.
Some of these guys will probably be injured by the deadline. As such, at least one of these guys should be sold sooner rather than later.

[Bingo]

The Flames are two games under .500 a handful of days before Xmas. Most insiders say the Flames are open to moving players now, but other teams just haven't stepped up. I would assume they have a plan to not leave all the pending UFAs to the deadline day ... probably a step down in value that is acceptable on say January 8th, another on February 8th before they land on March 8th.

A four man exec team is perfectly capable of having the same worries that the fan base has.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I barely care where the Flames finish in the standings because they're very likely to be in the usual mediocre range. It's a foregone conclusion.

I barely care what the Flames get for selling off their pending UFAs. I trust that Conroy would try his hardest to get max value.

Rather, I just want the Flames to actually sell off these assets. Don't extend them to bad contracts. Don't let them walk as UFAs. As long as they're all sold, I'll be content.
The problem is that their simply isn't enough time at the deadline to sell off all of Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Vladar, and maybe Kylington. The cap makes it difficult to do trades.
Some of these guys will probably be injured by the deadline. As such, at least one of these guys should be sold sooner rather than later.

has a team ever traded 5 players in season or deadline? I'd bet that hope/expectation is not realistic