2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

As I already said, you can find filler players like Sharangovich in a number of ways. Promoting from within has seemed to work out pretty well as just one example. Sharangovich fills a roster spot, he plays half decent hockey, he likely won't be around when the team is competitive. Don't waste your top assets in Lindholm and Hanifin in similar trades.

If we can land a 1st for a UFA I'll take that over a 2nd and a 25 year old bottom 6 player.

Guys like Zadorov and Tanev if you can get a single 2nd for I'd rather that then some b level prospect and a 4th.

And has been said to you a hundred times, no one was giving up firsts this summer. They weren't available.

And Sharangovish isn't a bottom 6 forward

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And Sharangovish isn't a bottom 6 forward

Hopefully, he hasn't shown he's that yet, and if he is it's barely

[monkeyman]

Sharangovish is exactly the type of player this team should be targeting in trades. Underutilized, less-known with upside. That was always Trelivings major weakness, he couldn't spot talent unless it slapped him in the face, which led him to trade for and sign, older, post apex players with little upside and for way too much money and it hurt this organization.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Sharangovish is exactly the type of player this team should be targeting in trades. Underutilized, less-known with upside. That was always Trelivings major weakness, he couldn't spot talent unless it slapped him in the face, which led him to trade for and sign, older, post apex players with little upside and for way too much money and it hurt this organization.

Sharangovich wasn't underutilized he just wasn't good enough for a play-off caliber team like the Devils.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Sharangovich wasn't underutilized he just wasn't good enough for a play-off caliber team like the Devils.

Yeah, not playing = underutilized.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Sharangovich wasn't underutilized he just wasn't good enough for a play-off caliber team like the Devils.

It's a little more nuanced than that.
He was displaced by the acquisition of Meier, who is admittedly a better player. And NJD was looking for different things from their bottom lines than what Sharangovich can offer.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Yeah, not playing = underutilized.

I guess you have a different definition of underutilized than I do.

He was given the chance to play for most of the season, shown he wasn't good enough for what NJD wanted and replaced by a better player. To me underutilized is a guy that isn't given the chance to show what he is or can be, that does not apply to Sharangovich.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's a little more nuanced than that.
He was displaced by the acquisition of Meier, who is admittedly a better player. And NJD was looking for different things from their bottom lines than what Sharangovich can offer.

Yes I don't disagree with any of that or think that what I posted is different.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I like Sharangovich!



I would argue that defensively AND offensively, Sharangovich has high hockey IQ.


Offensively, he goes to the right areas. Playing under Lindy Ruff, he probably started erring on the side of caution as Ruff plays the same system as Hartley, and is only modestly less inclined to berate you when you miss your defensive assignment. Where on the ice doesn't he go? He seems to get himself open quite a lot in the offensive zone, but the pass doesn't make it to him. That's what I notice sometimes. The fact that he gets there and is open is what shows part of his offensive IQ. His ability to just escape and create space for himself to get that shot off - even if the pass doesn't make it to him - is a really strong example of having that IQ. His ability to act as a playmaker at times is underrated, and shows the other side of his offensive IQ. As we have seen from his breakaways/shootouts, he isn't a one-trick pony either - he has that fantastic shot, but he is comfortable deking as well.



If there is one single issue or weakness I have with Sharangovich, it is a combination of seemingly being a little weak, and of also not being aggressive enough. However, he still doesn't shy from the corners and playing along the boards. He is also fairly resilient, as I thought he took some big hits along the boards, but he manages to always keep playing. No reason to assume that he won't get a little bit stronger year-to-year. He also goes right to the front of the net and isn't afraid to attack the net.



I was disappointed with the trade originally until the end of the draft, when it became obvious that the market was what it was. It always had the chance to be a steal, now it seems that a steal for Calgary is actually the likely result. Flames got faster, younger, more dynamic and cheaper. That's a win. Suniev is the wildcard at this point. I would do that trade every day. Plus, this is Sharangovich's 4th season - I would argue that he is not a finished product, and will continue to improve, and Toffoli's best performances might already be behind him, though maybe he is still at his apex for a couple of more seasons. I didn't see Sharangovich closing the gap offensively on Toffoli so soon either.


I suspect that the issue with him is going to be consistency. That's probably where Ruff had his issues with him, and that's where Huska seemed to have his issues with him as well. He is playing well and has found a spot for himself, so hopefully he can get that consistency to his game that differentiates top 6 players from tweeners, at least offensively. Defensively at least, he is strong enough to find a home on the bottom 6 if consistency remains an issue for him.

[D as in David]

Speaking of Sharangovich, his backhand stroke in tennis at the Coleman family Thanksgiving dinner made me think he might be an all-round athlete.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

There's zero reason to be worried about a player who is over a year away from UFA status and is currently on pace for 20.5 goals and 41 points. That's just a level of worry that one doesn't need to carry as a fan.

Players like that aren't all that difficult to retain.

Worried about finding an elite #1 defenceman/elite #1 centre? Yeah, those are tough problems for organizations to solve.

...middle six forwards? They're available literally every summer.

I didn’t say I was worried. I said the contract’s short term basically removes any potential upside.

The Flames give out way too many bridge contracts to young players. At some point, they just have to commit. It worked with Andersson, Hanifin, and Lindholm. They should have done everything in their power to give Tkachuk more term (like he wanted).

You don’t have to be an elite player to get term. Nashville gave many years to Jarnkrok and it was a steal.

To win a cup, a team needs optimal cap efficiency. Cap efficiency requires having good players on long value contracts. These contracts are gambles (as they players are often young and unproven), but they are practically necessary. This is one of the main differences between the Jets and the Flames. The Jets have more contractual stability.

[Caboose]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I was disappointed with the trade originally until the end of the draft, when it became obvious that the market was what it was. It always had the chance to be a steal, now it seems that a steal for Calgary is actually the likely result.

I don't see this as a steal, I see it as a good trade that just makes sense. The Devils got a veteran player to fit in their offense, the Flames got a roster player with possible upside and a mid round pick for a scouting staff that makes great mid round picks.

The level of hate a few people have given the trade is so weird to me. Toffoli was never going to be worth a 1st at his age imo. Sure, he got a lot of points, but that could dry up very quickly in the next couple years.

If those are the trades we can expect Conroy to pursue, sign me up! It might not be a blockbuster, but it's how you build a team. I have a feeling the same people who hated the trade would also be mad if the Flames gave up a younger player and a pick for an old guy!

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Caboose

I don't see this as a steal, I see it as a good trade that just makes sense. The Devils got a veteran player to fit in their offense, the Flames got a roster player with possible upside and a mid round pick for a scouting staff that makes great mid round picks.

The level of hate a few people have given the trade is so weird to me. Toffoli was never going to be worth a 1st at his age imo. Sure, he got a lot of points, but that could dry up very quickly in the next couple years.

If those are the trades we can expect Conroy to pursue, sign me up! It might not be a blockbuster, but it's how you build a team. I have a feeling the same people who hated the trade would also be mad if the Flames gave up a younger player and a pick for an old guy!

Not sure what people expect, but does anyone remember Stephane Yelle, nothing fancy but a solid all round player who won 2 Stanley Cups. He didn't score a lot but he was a solid contributer and an excellent defensive player. We need good 2 way players who are solid and consistent Sharangovich is a guy who has a role to play and is only going to get better. This guys already better than a lot of guys Treliving brought in and doesn't hurt the bank either.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think most people, even the vets, on this board imagine extremely lopsided trades for the Flames.

‘Give us prospects, picks and an expiring contract for a rental player from our roster’

That only works if the person at the end of the phone is Tre.

If the Flames are in a playoff position or close, they won’t shed their second pairing D, a 4-5 defenseman and the team’s best centre.

Haven’t watched many Trade Deadlines, eh?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Haven’t watched many Trade Deadlines, eh?

Lindholm in particular is the kind of player GMs go crazy for at the deadline. Underpaid, dependable at both ends, a known goal scorer, plays both C and RW. With retention, almost any contender could squeeze in his remaining cap hit for the last six weeks of the season.

[Willi Plett]

Sharangovich reminds me a lot of a 25 year old Michael Backlund. Very good defensively. Modest, quiet. Some offensive upside and a nice shot. Not sure yet if he’s best in the middle or on the wing.

I hope he can find the same level of consistency. If he does and we keep him in the fold, he could be a great assets for several years.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Lindholm in particular is the kind of player GMs go crazy for at the deadline. Underpaid, dependable at both ends, a known goal scorer, plays both C and RW. With retention, almost any contender could squeeze in his remaining cap hit for the last six weeks of the season.

Same with Tanev and Zadarov

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Red Potato Standing By

Was a first available for Toffoli?( honest question)

Never. Only time it was remotely close was at the Trade Deadline and Carolina wouldn't move it but they were the best offer but Shary is better than a magic bean.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Never. Only time it was remotely close was at the Trade Deadline and Carolina wouldn't move it but they were the best offer but Shary is better than a magic bean.

I like Yegor but I really like our amateur scouts. Not upset with the trade but given their track record I would take as many magic beans as possible this deadline.

[Jimdon]

February 2022, the Flames trade a first, a fifth, a not great prospect and a bottom six forward for Toffoli. June 2023, Toffoli is coming off a career year as the leading scorer and gets traded for a middle six forward that was a healthy scratch and a third round pick. He's making just over 4 mill a year...