2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The goal is to win hockey games? Are they stubborn about that? I hope so.

Cap space is an asset.

Maybe we buy Drais or something with all the money we have. LOL

We will have the same cap space whether we move them or keep them and watch them walk for nothing.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

This is exactly the type of trade they shouldn't be making. Shanangovich likely plays a couple years here, makes minimal impact, then leaves. These type of trades bring back mediocre players and mediocre picks. This is not a strategy to become elite.

Focus on stockpiling assets for the future. You can acquire filler guys like Sharangovich easily without trading your best assets.

You are so wrong about Sharangovich it isn't funny.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Sharangovich is an interesting player. He clearly has a wicked shot, but lacks the hockey instincts to be a consistent offensive contributor. But if you can find the right role for him, with the right line-mates, that shot can be a weapon.
I certainly can understand what Conroy and the Flames saw in him - when he has an opportunity, he can finish. And the team lacks that.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

This is exactly the type of trade they shouldn't be making. Shanangovich likely plays a couple years here, makes minimal impact, then leaves. These type of trades bring back mediocre players and mediocre picks. This is not a strategy to become elite.

Focus on stockpiling assets for the future. You can acquire filler guys like Sharangovich easily without trading your best assets.

‘Strategy to become elite’,

ha, okay.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Retention is only for the rest of the year and I’d hope the bad contracts are similar.

I think most people, even the vets, on this board imagine extremely lopsided trades for the Flames.

‘Give us prospects, picks and an expiring contract for a rental player from our roster’

That only works if the person at the end of the phone is Tre.

If the Flames are in a playoff position or close, they won’t shed their second pairing D, a 4-5 defenseman and the team’s best centre.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think most people, even the vets, on this board imagine extremely lopsided trades for the Flames.

‘Give us prospects, picks and an expiring contract for a rental player from our roster’

That only works if the person at the end of the phone is Tre.

If the Flames are in a playoff position or close, they won’t shed their second pairing D, a 4-5 defenseman and the team’s best centre.

What??

Those deals happen every single trade deadline with every team.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sharangovich is an interesting player. He clearly has a wicked shot, but lacks the hockey instincts to be a consistent offensive contributor. But if you can find the right role for him, with the right line-mates, that shot can be a weapon.
I certainly can understand what Conroy and the Flames saw in him - when he has an opportunity, he can finish. And the team lacks that.

No mention of his two way game at all. Such shame people only see him and that shot.

[shutout]

Plus in all of these deals the other team will probably have to open up roster space and the Flames if they are close to contending for a wild card spot still need to ice an NHL roster.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sharangovich is an interesting player. He clearly has a wicked shot, but lacks the hockey instincts to be a consistent offensive contributor. But if you can find the right role for him, with the right line-mates, that shot can be a weapon.
I certainly can understand what Conroy and the Flames saw in him - when he has an opportunity, he can finish. And the team lacks that.

One of the most interesting insights in the Athletic’s ranking of franchise drafting records is how many players broke out on a team that didn’t draft them.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sharangovich is an interesting player. He clearly has a wicked shot, but lacks the hockey instincts to be a consistent offensive contributor. But if you can find the right role for him, with the right line-mates, that shot can be a weapon.
I certainly can understand what Conroy and the Flames saw in him - when he has an opportunity, he can finish. And the team lacks that.

Lacks hockey instincts?

Originally Posted by Sec214

No mention of his two way game at all. Such shame people only see him and that shot.

I agree with Sec - Sharangovisch has a pretty good 200 ft game, and is usually in good position. He is more than just a good shot.

As for Hackey's comment that trading for players like him is the wrong strategy, Hackey continues to be too singularly focused on a single path - total tear down and draft picks. You have to ice a 20-man roster, and that includes a myriad of assets. Sharangovich is a good asset. So is Suniev (the pure, spin-the-wheel pick that fans are hoping for). Getting both those assets, for a fairly one-dimensional, and slow, 31YO, in a trade market that had all but entirely dried up, was a great trade.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Sec214

No mention of his two way game at all. Such shame people only see him and that shot.

Without the shot, he’ll be like Greer or Duehr . He can be 2 way all he wants and nobody cares

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Without the shot, he’ll be like Greer or Duehr . He can be 2 way all he wants and nobody cares

Sure, but he has both.

A player with just a shot, is one-dimensional. A player that is just a sound, 200-ft game is in the Greer / Lewis category.

But a player with both, is a good player. That is what Sharangovish is.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Lacks hockey instincts?



I agree with Sec - Sharangovisch has a pretty good 200 ft game, and is usually in good position. He is more than just a good shot.

As for Hackey's comment that trading for players like him is the wrong strategy, Hackey continues to be too singularly focused on a single path - total tear down and draft picks. You have to ice a 20-man roster, and that includes a myriad of assets. Sharangovich is a good asset. So is Suniev (the pure, spin-the-wheel pick that fans are hoping for). Getting both those assets, for a fairly one-dimensional, and slow, 31YO, in a trade market that had all but entirely dried up, was a great trade.

As I already said, you can find filler players like Sharangovich in a number of ways. Promoting from within has seemed to work out pretty well as just one example. Sharangovich fills a roster spot, he plays half decent hockey, he likely won't be around when the team is competitive. Don't waste your top assets in Lindholm and Hanifin in similar trades.

If we can land a 1st for a UFA I'll take that over a 2nd and a 25 year old bottom 6 player.

Guys like Zadorov and Tanev if you can get a single 2nd for I'd rather that then some b level prospect and a 4th.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Where are you going to find a top three D for less than that in 2023? He’s better than Weeger ($6.25m) and five years younger.

5 years younger? Hanafin is 26 and Weegar is 29. Both birthdays are in January.

edit: And I'd also contest "better than Weegar".

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sec214

No mention of his two way game at all. Such shame people only see him and that shot.

Totally agree. He is a utility player that can play all 3 forward positions, as well as up and down the line up. He might not have the offensive upside of peak Toffoli, but he is useful in a lot of other ways.

[1qqaaz]

The problem with Sharangovich is that his contract is ridiculously short for some reason. Only one more year than Toffoli.

Since he's a pending UFA at the end, the contract might remove any of Sharangovich's upside. Then if he's good, he'll make a lot of money as a 27 year old UFA, possibly with another team.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The problem with Sharangovich is that his contract is ridiculously short for some reason. Only one more year than Toffoli.

Since he's a pending UFA at the end, the contract might remove any of Sharangovich's upside. Then if he's good, he'll make a lot of money as a 27 year old UFA, possibly with another team.

There's zero reason to be worried about a player who is over a year away from UFA status and is currently on pace for 20.5 goals and 41 points. That's just a level of worry that one doesn't need to carry as a fan.

Players like that aren't all that difficult to retain.

Worried about finding an elite #1 defenceman/elite #1 centre? Yeah, those are tough problems for organizations to solve.

...middle six forwards? They're available literally every summer.

[Sandman]

Sharangovich=good.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The problem with Sharangovich is that his contract is ridiculously short for some reason. Only one more year than Toffoli.

Since he's a pending UFA at the end, the contract might remove any of Sharangovich's upside. Then if he's good, he'll make a lot of money as a 27 year old UFA, possibly with another team.

I think that risk is acceptable. I think Conroy and likely Sharangovich wanted to avoid a situation where a player was signed long term before they knew he would fit. If he doesn’t want to stay when the contract is expiring, you can hopefully add another branch to the Toffoli trade tree.

The trade market at the time of the Toffoli trade wasn’t great, so part of me thinks the strategy could have been to get a decent player back that could be a future trade asset when the market is hopefully better. The absolute worst case scenario is that Sharangovich doesn’t fit and moves on without the Flames being stuck with a long contract. These days, that isn’t a bad worst case scenario by any means.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by Hackey

As I already said, you can find filler players like Sharangovich in a number of ways. Promoting from within has seemed to work out pretty well as just one example. Sharangovich fills a roster spot, he plays half decent hockey, he likely won't be around when the team is competitive. Don't waste your top assets in Lindholm and Hanifin in similar trades.

If we can land a 1st for a UFA I'll take that over a 2nd and a 25 year old bottom 6 player.

Guys like Zadorov and Tanev if you can get a single 2nd for I'd rather that then some b level prospect and a 4th.

Was a first available for Toffoli?( honest question)