Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This always seems like the dumbest conclusion to draw before an election. When someone is TELNETTing you who they are and what they will do, why would you expect them to act differently? Hell, people said that about Trump.

Most parties campaign from further towards the left/right than they govern. The federal Liberals famously make all sorts of campaign promises to appease the left wing of the party (and steal a march on the NDP), and then ignore those policies or water them down once they’re in power. Most campaign promises are never fulfilled. This has been true since forever.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Most parties campaign from further towards the left/right than they govern. The federal Liberals famously make all sorts of campaign promises to appease the left wing of the party (and steal a march on the NDP), and then ignore those policies or water them down once they’re in power. Most campaign promises are never fulfilled. This has been true since forever.

Which is one of the reasons I found the ANDP so refreshing. They governed pretty much on par with their campaign and hit pretty much all of their planks/promises.

It also is what infuriates me when "they shouldn't have said they would increase corporate taxes and they would have won.". Unlike the UCP, they weren't campaigning to "win" they were campaigning on what they would do if elected. It isn't supposed to be all rainbows and roses, governments need to make hard choices and let the people decide.

If they lost because of this campaign direction, well then the people didn't agree. But at least they told us to our faces what they would do instead of "the APP isn't a campaign issue" BS that we heard from DS.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The TBA folks are highly motivated

Textbook sh*t disturbers. Small-minded are probably impressed by it.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://albertapolitics.ca/2023/11/l...-commentariat/


I know I'm pretty hard on UCP voters, but I gotta ask how you actually feel about this? You voted in the last election for what used to be a moderate Conservative party, and now it's been taken over by a collection of christo-facist morons. Would you vote for the UCP next election, knowing what the party is becoming behind the scenes? Do you feel betrayed/tricked? Or is this all fine and nothing to be bothered about? Genuinely curious.

This is the one that stands out the most for me from the list of passed motions.

allowing professionals to break ethics rules when they’re not on the clock

WTF is this? Could this be because they have had so many violations while on the clock? Also can you imagine lawyers, doctors, cops etc not being held accountable because they were off the clock at that time?

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

This is the one that stands out the most for me from the list of passed motions.



WTF is this? Could this be because they have had so many violations while on the clock? Also can you imagine lawyers, doctors, cops etc not being held accountable because they were off the clock at that time?

All my journal entries from now on will be done between 5:01PM and 7:59AM. Its the Enron way.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

This is the one that stands out the most for me from the list of passed motions.



WTF is this? Could this be because they have had so many violations while on the clock? Also can you imagine lawyers, doctors, cops etc not being held accountable because they were off the clock at that time?

This one is a response to Jordan Peterson having a hissy fit about this:


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...sion-1.6943845


You know, solid, super important issues all Albertans want addressed by this government. Says the UCP AGM.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I'm surprised the school voucher proposal didn't pass, especially as the only one that didn't. I don't like the idea, but I wonder what the convention crowd didn't like about it.

Vouchers are bad for rural communities, as their schools are already harder to administer, staff, and operate. So a program that takes more money away from the public system that would have the largest negative effect on rural communities wouldn't be very popular.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Which is one of the reasons I found the ANDP so refreshing. They governed pretty much on par with their campaign and hit pretty much all of their planks/promises.

It also is what infuriates me when "they shouldn't have said they would increase corporate taxes and they would have won.". Unlike the UCP, they weren't campaigning to "win" they were campaigning on what they would do if elected. It isn't supposed to be all rainbows and roses, governments need to make hard choices and let the people decide.

If they lost because of this campaign direction, well then the people didn't agree. But at least they told us to our faces what they would do instead of "the APP isn't a campaign issue" BS that we heard from DS.

The BC NDP have been pretty good for this as well. There was a running tracker a while back that tracked their campaign promises vs. results, and they ended up fulfilling most of what they promised.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The BC NDP have been pretty good for this as well. There was a running tracker a while back that tracked their campaign promises vs. results, and they ended up fulfilling most of what they promised.

I'm really interested in seeing how Wab Kinew's term plays out in Manitoba, if only the federal NDP could focus on creating a governing party like the provinces seem to be able to do.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Vouchers are bad for rural communities, as their schools are already harder to administer, staff, and operate. So a program that takes more money away from the public system that would have the largest negative effect on rural communities wouldn't be very popular.

Libertarians don't care.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Thanks for your response. Time will tell if PP can reign in the far right wing faction of his party.

Apropos of nothing, but IMO the Federal and provincial political threads should probably be merged.

WTF?? PP is the leader of the far right on the Cons. He would be the leader of the Reform Party.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yoho

It would appear that there is an appetite for what Smith and UCP are looking to do in this Province.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1721573175635661148

hahhaa. what?? 4,000 was the record breaking number? I thought it was like 14,000 or something great.

You'd get 5,000 3 times a day at the Corral to see the Super Dogs! lol

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I'm really interested in seeing how Wab Kinew's term plays out in Manitoba, if only the federal NDP could focus on creating a governing party like the provinces seem to be able to do.

It actually amazes me how well the NDP do at the provincial level in Western Canada. If the conjecture coming from the right wasn't always misinformed drivel, they shouldn't be performing anywhere near as well as they do.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

hahhaa. what?? 4,000 was the record breaking number? I thought it was like 14,000 or something great.

You'd get 5,000 3 times a day at the Corral to see the Super Dogs! lol

Not to mention only the hyper-political show up to these things. The scary part is the hyper-political are the ones who hijack the party platform, pull the strings from behind the scenes, and lobby the government for their pet projects and contracts (of which Danielle Smith loves to award).

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

She might be close but does anyone else shudder at the the thought? Our poor mountain parks and other natural wonders. They are over run today. I know it’s just a consequence of global population growth, but I have a hard time with some of this.

She doesn't really have control over it though, so it doesn't particularly matter what she thinks.

Canada's population is growing very fast, but it's almost all international immigration with very little natural increase. Alberta is younger than average so we have a bit more natural increase.

The mechanism for population growth in Alberta is:

1) the Feds admit tons of immigrants, the vast majority of whom move to the cities they have heard of where they have connections (Toronto/Vancouver).

2) that pushes up housing prices in those areas, and so pre-existing residents move to Alberta so they can afford housing.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

hahhaa. what?? 4,000 was the record breaking number? I thought it was like 14,000 or something great.

You'd get 5,000 3 times a day at the Corral to see the Super Dogs! lol

How many people do you think actually care about politics at this level? Most folks don't care enough to donate to a party or even reach out to their representatives or candidates. People don't care about buying party membership and being involved in policy events.

If 4000 is bad than the NDP must be an even bigger joke to you

The 2022 NDP AGM was held Friday and Saturday with more than 1,300 people registered to attend. Notley said it was the biggest convention in the party’s history and urged members to carry that energy and momentum forward into the new year.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/polit...gns-at-ndp-agm

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

How many people do you think actually care about politics at this level? Most folks don't care enough to donate to a party or even reach out to their representatives or candidates. People don't care about buying party membership and being involved in policy events.

If 4000 is bad than the NDP must be an even bigger joke to you


https://calgaryherald.com/news/polit...gns-at-ndp-agm

The NDP is a joke and i have no idea how Notley, a 2 time loser, can still be their leader. I mean how pathetic of a politician do you have to be to lose to both Kenny and Boobbus??!!!! hahahahah. just resign and change your god damn name!

but yeah 4,000 is pretty bad. There are a ton of deplorables in this province!

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It actually amazes me how well the NDP do at the provincial level in Western Canada. If the conjecture coming from the right wasn't always misinformed drivel, they shouldn't be performing anywhere near as well as they do.

In all four western provinces politics is essentially a two party system and the NDP is the only practical alternative to the conservative parties.

[Ozy_Flame]

Sure, but they've formed government in all four western provinces. For such a conservative stronghold, the NDP does quite well. And regularly.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Sure, but they've formed government in all four western provinces. For such a conservative stronghold, the NDP does quite well. And regularly.

There are different flavours of conservatism. The prairie populism that spawned the NDP has historically been very anti banks, anti corporate, pro working class. Those values aren’t incompatible with the traditional federal PC platforms of social conservatism and blaming the Eastern Canadian establishment for all the West’s problems.