Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Plus you are just a quick 15 minutes to downtown!

Does this mean the UCP are going to eliminate the city of Airdrie?

[Doctorfever]

Thinking you’re going to ban, or even considering to try to ban 15 minute cities, or whatever that even means is stupid.

Cities and towns grow and expand, sometimes more rapidly that they should. The way I interpret good city planning and zoning, it should make every city a 15 minute city (if I am understanding the term correctly, because I never have looked into or researched it).

I have been involved with a bit of city infrastructure, which is always on the front end of city construction and development. Everything that is done correctly is to maximize density and minimize travel times.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Thinking you’re going to ban, or even considering to try to ban 15 minute cities, or whatever that even means is stupid.

Cities and towns grow and expand, sometimes more rapidly that they should. The way I interpret good city planning and zoning, it should make every city a 15 minute city (if I am understanding the term correctly, because I never have looked into or researched it).

I have been involved with a bit of city infrastructure, which is always on the front end of city construction and development. Everything that is done correctly is to maximize density and minimize travel times.

You don't need to read about it and already get it.

The easiest way I have defeated this in Alberta is just by asking how far away in minutes anyone rural wants to live from a doctor. I #### you not they actually understand this point intensely and do the whole "wait a minute" thing about 15 minute cities.

[Faust]

Braid: After huge meeting, social conservatives completely control Danielle Smith's party


https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...le-smith-party

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You don't need to read about it and already get it.

The easiest way I have defeated this in Alberta is just by asking how far away in minutes anyone rural wants to live from a doctor. I #### you not they actually understand this point intensely and do the whole "wait a minute" thing about 15 minute cities.

But what about how far from doctorfever?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

But what about how far from doctorfever?

Huh?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Did I see correctly, ds thinks Alberta will have a population of 10 million people by 2050?

That's probably the least crazy thing she said the whole time.

10MM Albertans in 2050 requires a 2.8% growth rate per year. It has been around 4% lately (which is well above the long term average). Assuming Canada continues accepting international migration at recent levels I think it's very likely we get somewhere close to that number, maybe not quite that many but it isn't outlandish.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You don't need to read about it and already get it.

The easiest way I have defeated this in Alberta is just by asking how far away in minutes anyone rural wants to live from a doctor. I #### you not they actually understand this point intensely and do the whole "wait a minute" thing about 15 minute cities.

This whole thing is all based in more consipiracy minded garbage that the 15 minutes city means you will be confined to this small little area and fined if you leave it. Basically every new subdivision in every major city is planned around the concept that the things you need willl be close to you. It’s why people buy there. Opposition to this would be funny if not for the fact that this is the governing party of our province.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

That's probably the least crazy thing she said the whole time.

10MM Albertans in 2050 requires a 2.8% growth rate per year. It has been around 4% lately (which is well above the long term average). Assuming Canada continues accepting international migration at recent levels I think it's very likely we get somewhere close to that number, maybe not quite that many but it isn't outlandish.

She might be close but does anyone else shudder at the the thought? Our poor mountain parks and other natural wonders. They are over run today. I know it’s just a consequence of global population growth, but I have a hard time with some of this.

[Fuzz]

It was finally starting to sink in with Alberta commentariat yesterday in the aftermath of the United Conservative Party’s annual general meeting that the lunatics really are running the asylum, to borrow a colourful metaphor from former premier and UCP founder Jason Kenney.

“It’s true that many moderate conservatives voted UCP in May,” wrote the Calgary Herald’s Don Braid yesterday. “But they don’t run this party anymore.”

For evidence, consider the policy resolutions (officially,“policy proposals”) the more than 3,700 paid-up AGM delegates voted for, among them: Enshrining the right to bear arms; opposing federal net-zero policies; defunding university diversity, equity and inclusion offices; banning “15-minute cities” (how one might do this remains a mystery); banning solar farms; defunding supervised consumption sites; letting parents censor school libraries; allowing professionals to break ethics rules when they’re not on the clock; not allowing trans women to serve their sentences in women’s jails; and making sure children can’t chose their own pronouns or names without telling their parents. There were also at least three intended to undermine public health measures and permit medical quackery.


If this isn’t evidence of a pervasive Qanon-adjacent MAGA mentality, what is?

We’re told that many of the ‘old’ organizers from the PC’s & early days of the UCP simply didn’t attend the AGM & have largely abandoned the party,” tweeted The Breakdown. “TBA was largely unopposed.

https://albertapolitics.ca/2023/11/l...-commentariat/


I know I'm pretty hard on UCP voters, but I gotta ask how you actually feel about this? You voted in the last election for what used to be a moderate Conservative party, and now it's been taken over by a collection of christo-facist morons. Would you vote for the UCP next election, knowing what the party is becoming behind the scenes? Do you feel betrayed/tricked? Or is this all fine and nothing to be bothered about? Genuinely curious.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Yoho

For some reason CBC isn’t covering the AGM.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1720912903795314960

Yoho. How do you feel about the resolution that in part states

"eliminating all Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) offices at all public universities, colleges, technical institutes, and trades schools and all adult education institutions"

Do you support that?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://albertapolitics.ca/2023/11/l...-commentariat/


I know I'm pretty hard on UCP voters, but I gotta ask how you actually feel about this? You voted in the last election for what used to be a moderate Conservative party, and now it's been taken over by a collection of christo-facist morons. Would you vote for the UCP next election, knowing what the party is becoming behind the scenes? Do you feel betrayed/tricked? Or is this all fine and nothing to be bothered about? Genuinely curious.

Everyone I’ve talked to has been very happy with Smith and her UCP party. The insults and name calling is falling on def ears.

Make sure you ask this question in the Canadian politics threads to all the bright bulbs that kept voting Treudeau in.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Everyone I’ve talked to has been very happy with Smith and her UCP party. The insults and name calling is falling on def ears.

Make sure you ask this question in the Canadian politics threads to all the bright bulbs that kept voting Treudeau in.

First off, who the #### are hanging out with? Second, do they actually pay attention to what is going on? Do they support this TBA stuff, or are they traditional Conservatives just voting blue? Are they anti-equality? Are they anti-business? Do they like when governments pick winners and losers in the business sector? Or are they just irrational?

[Ozy_Flame]

If anyone thinks Yoho's people have any contrarian views to his own, I have some snake oil to sell you.

And that is how Albertan conservatives continually win and can do no wrong. Everything is rationalized as good governance with no critique as long as a blue shirt is doing the splooging.

[Izzle]

To Yoho's point... I guess moderates at both the Alberta level and provincial level are going to be voting in the NDP (ANDP provincially and NDP federally) come the next elections... Right??

On a provincial level, if what the TBA are proposing, then the sensible choice is ANDP.

On a federal level.. you have the corrupt liberals on one side and the CPC (one that is more closer to TBA than to anything moderate) one the other side ... So default to NDP?

[edslunch]

The reality is most people don’t pay attention to politics, particularly policy conventions and back room dealings.

[FlameOn]

CBC does deep dive onto why Alberta now pays the highest energy rate in the country, up to 32c/KwH. TLDR: UCP policy.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ster-1.7018123

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Izzle

On a federal level.. you have the corrupt liberals on one side and the CPC (one that is more closer to TBA than to anything moderate) one the other side ... So default to NDP?

The ANDP and Jagmeet Singh's NDP are not equivalently moderate.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The reality is most people don’t pay attention to politics, particularly policy conventions and back room dealings. until it is too late

added a bit, but I agree.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

And that is how Albertan conservatives continually win and can do no wrong. Everything is rationalized as good governance with no critique as long as a blue shirt is doing the splooging.

... and therein lies the problem; moderate conservative voters in Alberta will so desperately cling on to the idea that this is still the PC's, that they'll spin doctor their way out of any accusation or grift identification. The tunnel vision is real.

It's time for the moderate conservatives to stand up and form their own PC party, a return to the decent centre-right values that Lougheed successfully led this province with. Is this the ANDP? Yes, but people need to see the blue to take the full plunge.

In any case, the UCP and TBA need to be squashed and stamped out of Alberta history, and soon. Smith, Parker and the rest of that insecure/uneducated party will do colossal damage to this province and its reputation if they are allowed to continue with their dangerous agenda.