10-27-2023, 12:38 PM
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Rebuild or not discussion aside the lack of goal scoring is boring and embarrassing. Conroy needs to find an in-season fix. It's bad for everyone's confidence, it's bad for guys like Coronato's development, it's bad for trade value, it's #### to have a guy like Solovyev come in and get booed off the ice his first nhl game.
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10-27-2023, 12:39 PM
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#62
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Originally Posted by Press Level
Unbelievable that anyone is willing to blame this mess on Conroy. This organization has 2 boat anchor contracts and he is not responsible for either of them.
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I don't see people blaming him, the question is more about whether he is the guy to fix the problems that others have created.
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10-27-2023, 12:40 PM
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#63
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle
It's two weeks into his first season...............why are we having this convo. If the team was having success right now, it wouldn't have to do with Conroy yet. The fact they aren't succeeding has nothing to do with him right now either.
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Why is "wait and see" always the CP default?
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10-27-2023, 12:44 PM
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#64
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Why is "wait and see" always the CP default?
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Because it’s the logical way to evaluate anything that can only be evaluated over time, and because impatience is what got us into this mess.
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10-27-2023, 12:44 PM
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#65
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A lot of CP posters were speculating a four or five year deal for Backlund. Conroy brings him in for 2 years at a number less than said posters were suggesting for 5 years.
Maybe give the guy some credit? Maybe the reason Hanifin and Lindholm are in limbo is because Conroy is trying to sign them to team friendly shorter term deals that allows him to retain some trade value. That seems like the smart thing to do. Any rebuild is going to take some time because of the anchor contracts on the books.
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10-27-2023, 12:45 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2013
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Originally Posted by Press Level
Unbelievable that anyone is willing to blame this mess on Conroy. This organization has 2 boat anchor contracts and he is not responsible for either of them.
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I don't think anyone is blaming Conroy. The question is, the Flames have a mess on their hands, and is he the right guy to fix the mess? Personally I don't think so, nothing strikes me from his moves off the bat and news we hear trickling out that he will do what needs to be done. Toffoli traded for what he was was poor, coaching hire looks suspect, talk about re-signing Hanifin and Lindholm is absolutely asinine. Could easily be wrong, but hopes are not high right now.
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10-27-2023, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Why is "wait and see" always the CP default?
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Because it is easier to say that then admit the team has major problems.
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10-27-2023, 12:49 PM
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#68
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Way too early to say. He's been in the role for less than 10 games and inherited likely the worst situation for a GM in the league.
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10-27-2023, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Why is "wait and see" always the CP default?
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Well, if you're an ADHD type person I guess that is never the answer because "wait" also involves being "uncomfortable".
You're probably the kind who buys a stock and when it hasn't gone bonkers up in the first day sells it at a loss the next day to buy something else. Rinse and repeat?
You wait...because that is how situations generally crystallize. So you can actually examine them with thought and deliberation. Whether it's CP or the stock market (or anything else for that matter). Very little can be determined without time being a factor.
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10-27-2023, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Spurs
Because it is easier to say that then admit the team has major problems.
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The question itself requires acknowledging the team has major problems, because the question is whether Conroy is the right guy to fix them.
So, not quite.
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10-27-2023, 01:01 PM
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He inherited a mess, I'll wait until he makes some bigger moves before judging him. It's going to take years probably.
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10-27-2023, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
- Phillips - TBD - I don't think that's a big loss for the Flames. He had a good game against us, but I don't think he's better than Dube/Pelletier/Ruzicka.
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Phillips - Out of his control.
IMO, there is no way that Phillips was staying if he had an offer from another team. Whether he ends up being a decent NHL'er or not is still up in the air but it sure looked like he wanted out.
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10-27-2023, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Why is "wait and see" always the CP default?
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Because it's not reasonable in this case, to expect the GM to have had enough runway to do anything meaningful with the team. He hasn't had the opportunity yet, to put his finger print on this team yet, for worse or better. The GM role isn't one that can be evaluated close to accurately after one offseason and 2 weeks of play.
Not even sure why anyone would think otherwise.
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10-27-2023, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Spurs
Because it is easier to say that then admit the team has major problems.
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This team has major problems.
It's way, way to early to know if Conroy is part of those problems, or part of the solution. That's what is being discussed in there no?
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10-27-2023, 01:28 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Yes, that seems reasonable - let's see how that plays out.
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We’ve already seen a rebuild with this team (the gap between Iggy and Johnny / Monahan era) and the fans very much supported the team during that time. The team was enjoyable to watch because you could see progression, growth and potential.
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10-27-2023, 01:36 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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He is the right guy to do nothing
Seems to do that quite well
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10-27-2023, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle
This team has major problems.
It's way, way to early to know if Conroy is part of those problems, or part of the solution. That's what is being discussed in there no?
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When he said why is wait and see always CP's answer I took that to mean more than just in this thread, but perhaps I have putting too much emphasis on the always part.
As for this particular questions, I think there are legit reasons to ask whether Conroy was the right person to hire at this time, but obviously too early to say definitely one way or the other.
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10-27-2023, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jacks
Phillips - Out of his control.
IMO, there is no way that Phillips was staying if he had an offer from another team. Whether he ends up being a decent NHL'er or not is still up in the air but it sure looked like he wanted out.
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I think Conroy could've offered Phillips a 2 year 1 way deal. He offered him a 2 way contract for the first year. Washington outbid him that way. That's why I think he had some control of the situation, but it can be argued either way.
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10-27-2023, 01:50 PM
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#79
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Yes.
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10-27-2023, 02:20 PM
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There is absolutely NOTHING that Conroy has done to make me feel that he isn't right for this job.
He hasn't signed PTOs. He hasn't brought in vets to displace youth. The market is what the market is. This is Treliving's mess, and Conroy is handcuffed until teams get more room. I think I will give him at least a calendar year to even start forming an opinion about him as a GM.
What I do really like, is how much of a priority he wants to make drafting and development.
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