Go look what Taylor Hall returned for Boston...wasn't much of a market
Too bad we can never trade our healthy scratch forward and a mid round pick for a top line forward. Toffoli has been a 0.83ppg player (68pts per 82) since he was dealt from LA back in 2020 which is 224 games ago.
The market is tough no doubt. I just don’t agree that one can’t be disappointed in the return and also want the team to rebuild. It is too bad they immediately honored his trade request because no doubt he would return more as a rental than what we got.
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Too bad we can never trade our healthy scratch forward and a mid round pick for a top line forward. Toffoli has been a 0.83ppg player (68pts per 82) since he was dealt from LA back in 2020 which is 224 games ago.
The market is tough no doubt. I just don’t agree that one can’t be disappointed in the return and also want the team to rebuild. It is too bad they immediately honored his trade request because no doubt he would return more as a rental than what we got.
there are doubts, injury for one. There are also the vibes of forcing a player to be here that doesn't want to be.
Bennett was a healthy scratch...got 2 2nds for him
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Even if it’s true I’d be surprised if he was dumb enough to say that publicly. Everything I’ve heard/read from him is the opposite. Although it’s a bit hard to accept. Basically he’s saying ‘I like Calgary, but I just like Florida, Vegas, St.Louis, Carolina a little bit more’. In other words ‘I like you, but as a friend’.
there are doubts, injury for one. There are also the vibes of forcing a player to be here that doesn't want to be.
Bennett was a healthy scratch...got 2 2nds for him
Bennett was also a 4th overall pick not an overaged 5th rounder. Injuries would be a concern. Hopefully Sharongovich gets it together because he doesn’t look anywhere near a $3.1M forward. Luckily there is time but Toffoli more than picking up where he left off (thanks Hughes) stings for a fanbase that is already incredibly fragile and a team that seems to lack anyone who can put the puck in the net.
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Maybe there wasn't a market but on the face of it, it's a bad return. Unless the pick or Sharagonvich turn into something relevant. The odds are very high against that.
It's actually quite remarkable what Toffoli was able to do on a offensively starved team like the Flames last year. Setting career highs at his age and it doesn't look like he's slowing down. Then you add that he is a SC winner and only making 4.25 million, I would've expected a better return.
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Maybe there wasn't a market but on the face of it, it's a bad return. Unless the pick or Sharagonvich turn into something relevant. The odds are very high against that.
It's actually quite remarkable what Toffoli was able to do on a offensively starved team like the Flames last year. Setting career highs at his age and it doesn't look like he's slowing down. Then you add that he is a SC winner and only making 4.25 million, I would've expected a better return.
You need that return to be there in order to get it.
Clearly draft picks weren’t getting tossed around at the draft. That was league wide, not just the Flames. I guess they could have made other not so great moves? Would Hanifin for a second and a roster player have been better? Would people have been happier?
Evidently no one was meeting the Flames prices on any of the pending UFA’s. mix in they knew Toffoli wasn’t in the long term plans and they had six other players/contracts/assets to deal with they pulled the trigger on a package they obviously felt was fair. I’ll say heading into October with seven UFA’s would have been a risky proposition. Part of making trades is knowing what the market is. If the Flames were to find themselves in a position to have to deal seven guys near or at the deadline, they would have saturated the market driving prices down on their own asset.
The Flames knew the market and none of us, or very few of us, did. There always seems to be this automatic assumption that the Flames don’t know what they’re doing. What’s interesting is that this usually comes from people who definitely don’t know or have any first hand knowledge of what’s actually happening.
Maybe there wasn't a market but on the face of it, it's a bad return. Unless the pick or Sharagonvich turn into something relevant. The odds are very high against that.
It's actually quite remarkable what Toffoli was able to do on a offensively starved team like the Flames last year. Setting career highs at his age and it doesn't look like he's slowing down. Then you add that he is a SC winner and only making 4.25 million, I would've expected a better return.
I wish someone made a gif of Bean from his failure interview where he said something to the effect of "don't you want to see what a Vezina finalist goaltender can do with this team next year". That could be the opposite of the ring of fire song after wins.
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The market was super soft for forwards due to a tight cap and teams knowing that a team like the Flames needed to shed salary.
Duclair got Lorentz and a 5th
Reilly Smith got a 3rd round pick. (this would be the best comparison for Toffoli IMO)
Ross Colton got a 2nd.
Debrincat got a 1st and Kubalik.
Kevin Hayes returned a 7th (with retention)
Johansson returned nothing with 50% retention.
Reilly Smith is a pretty good comparison although Toffoli is a year younger and had an up year, makes less and had only a year left on his deal, which in this cap situation and at their age is a good thing for most teams. It's definitely a soft market though.
But mostly I was surprised to hear Conroy say they targeted Sharagonvich. I mean ok I guess, you need players but I've yet to see anything more than a dime a dozen player that you can pick up on waivers.
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Reilly Smith is a pretty good comparison although Toffoli is a year younger and had an up year, makes less and had only a year left on his deal, which in this cap situation and at their age is a good thing for most teams. It's definitely a soft market though.
But mostly I was surprised to hear Conroy say they targeted Sharagonvich. I mean ok I guess, you need players but I've yet to see anything more than a dime a dozen player that you can pick up on waivers.
okay, 25 years olds (just turned 25 at the time of the trade) that have scored 24 in this league before on waivers, a dime a dozen?
go, I can't think of any
He has 3 NHL seasons at age 22, 23, 24
16,24,13 goals
also a great penalty killer that can skate
okay, 25 years olds (just turned 25 at the time of the trade) that have scored 24 in this league before on waivers, a dime a dozen?
go
He has 3 NHL seasons at age 22, 23, 24
16,24,13 goals
also a great penalty killer that can skate
that is not a waiver player
Christ we freak about Phillips and his 1 NHL goal
Lets see how many goals he gets playing a different system than what NJ is deploying. And a guy who can skate and PK is pretty much your typical waiver pickup. I'm not saying he's useless but I definitely don't see a three million dollar player at this point.
Lets see how many goals he gets playing a different system than what NJ is deploying. And a guy who can skate and PK is pretty much your typical waiver pickup. I'm not saying he's useless but I definitely don't see a three million dollar player at this point.
Lets see how many goals he gets playing a different system than what NJ is deploying. And a guy who can skate and PK is pretty much your typical waiver pickup. I'm not saying he's useless but I definitely don't see a three million dollar player at this point.
Yep, it's not always about stats. Lots of guys hit the 20 goal mark, but that doesn't make them 20 goal scorers. To me, 20 goal scorers hit 20 on any team, any system and on a consistent basis. I wonder if management thought they had that in Sharangovich and figured he would pop on the Flames.
But watching him play, I'm no sure we'll be seeing it any time soon. He may have an explosive shot, but being able to get your shot off with regularity and in dangerous areas is just as or more important than having just a heavy shot.
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Yep, it's not always about stats. Lots of guys hit the 20 goal mark, but that doesn't make them 20 goal scorers. To me, 20 goal scorers hit 20 on any team, any system and on a consistent basis. I wonder if management thought they had that in Sharangovich and figured he would pop on the Flames.
But watching him play, I'm no sure we'll be seeing it any time soon. He may have an explosive shot, but being able to get your shot off with regularity and in dangerous areas is just as or more important than having just a heavy shot.
he is still above a dime a dozen waiver pickup which was the argument
Guys that score 53 goals in their first 3 years in the league aren't available on waivers
