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SutterBrother · 10-17-2023, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

Crazy that people want their franchise player making $10.5m to drive play. Fans are way too entitled!

Crazy that people want a $10.5 mil player to not be a GIVEAWAY MACHINE.

dino7c · 10-17-2023, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

lol. not with the sharks, ducks and canucks in this division. LA and the Crack are going to fall back this year. It's only the Oilerz and Knights.

But once again it's all about goaltending. we are 100% making the playoffs if Markstrom plays in 30 games or less. If he plays more than 30 we still have about a 65 to 70% chance of making the playoffs.

It's certainly not a Flames homer take...nearly all the SN talking heads think the Pacific is the best division in hockey. There are bad teams everywhere in this league having a couple in your division doesn't mean a damn thing. Vancouver will be mid pack.

dino7c · 10-17-2023, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Crazy that people want a $10.5 mil player to not be a GIVEAWAY MACHINE.

again he has played 3 games at that salary and is PPG...crazy people are crazy

also you might want to look at some stats on giveaways

kukkudo · 10-17-2023, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

It's certainly not a Flames homer take...nearly all the SN talking heads think the Pacific is the best division in hockey. There are bad teams everywhere in this league having a couple in your division doesn't mean a damn thing. Vancouver will be mid pack.

They also think the Oilers are going to win the cup.

Burning Beard · 10-17-2023, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

They also think the Oilers are going to win the cup.

And will play Toronto in the finals! Hahaha

dustygoon · 10-17-2023, 03:48 PM

We are a Kristian Huselius away from some dubs.

dino7c · 10-17-2023, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

They also think the Oilers are going to win the cup.

fair but it's certainly not the "worst division in hockey"

I mean he is mentioning 100+ point teams from last season to support his argument

Hot_Flatus · 10-17-2023, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

This is pretty out of context...we were talking about Gaudreau and Huberdeau BOTH sucking last season

Gaudreau didn't have elite scoring and he sucked defensively

Huberdeau has also played 3 games at his 10.5M salary and is PPG so maybe, just maybe, people are jumping the gun

Context indeed. Huberdeau's goal was a stroke of luck and one of his secondary assists had nothing to do with him at all. He's been near invisible again so far despite seeing huge OZ starts to the tune of 70+% and loads of PP time. His mark on the franchise is giving up prime shooting opportunities and needless giveaways.

How much time does one need to stop playing passive, unassertive hockey in a new market? 100 games?

mrdonkey · 10-17-2023, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Context indeed. Huberdeau's goal was a stroke of luck and one of his secondary assists had nothing to do with him at all. He's been near invisible again so far despite seeing huge OZ starts to the tune of 70+% and loads of PP time. His mark on the franchise is giving up prime shooting opportunities and needless giveaways.

How much time does one need to stop playing passive, unassertive hockey in a new market? 100 games?

200 at least. Maybe wait out the whole contract before we can truly make any judgments.

dino7c · 10-17-2023, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Context indeed. Huberdeau's goal was a stroke of luck and one of his secondary assists had nothing to do with him at all. He's been near invisible again so far despite seeing huge OZ starts to the tune of 70+% and loads of PP time. His mark on the franchise is giving up prime shooting opportunities and needless giveaways.

How much time does one need to stop playing passive, unassertive hockey in a new market? 100 games?

strike all lucky goals and third assists from the record books I guess

dino7c · 10-17-2023, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

200 at least. Maybe wait out the whole contract before we can truly make any judgments.

3 games into the contract lol

Hot_Flatus · 10-17-2023, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

strike all lucky goals and third assists from the record books I guess

If you'd like. Lucky goals and lucky points are fine if you are creating offense and doing your job - being a difference maker. Impact wingers that stand out in and around the Huberdeau AAV:

Marner
Tkachuk
Stone
Kucherov
Kaprizov
Ovechkin

What's the chance you watch more than 1-2 games in a row where you don't see any of the above making at least a couple of notable plays, regardless of whether they are goals and assists? Huberdeau isn't even making wow plays that don't result in goals or chances and this goes back 85 games, not just his current extension.

Paulie Walnuts · 10-17-2023, 04:10 PM

All those same wingers have had pucks bounce off their ass and go in, shots off skates go in.

We need to take those away immediately.

I love how every discounts the assists from Huberdeau on the Lindholm goal.

That play was a shot on net last year, if he doesn't make a bank pass none of that happens.

But we will keep crying he doesn't have 20 points already.

CliffFletcher · 10-17-2023, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

If we look back at Treliving’s final 12 months on the job, it makes one hell of an argument for never allowing a GM to enter the final year of his contract without an extension (or being let go). He left this team in a mighty mess, and the damage was all done in his final 12 months.

His boss has to take some of the blame for giving him the marching orders to keep the team competitive after its two best players walked.

dissentowner · 10-17-2023, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

It's certainly not a Flames homer take...nearly all the SN talking heads think the Pacific is the best division in hockey. There are bad teams everywhere in this league having a couple in your division doesn't mean a damn thing. Vancouver will be mid pack.

The Atlantic is tougher imo.

dino7c · 10-17-2023, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

If you'd like. Lucky goals and lucky points are fine if you are creating offense and doing your job - being a difference maker. Impact wingers that stand out in and around the Huberdeau AAV:

Marner
Tkachuk
Stone
Kucherov
Kaprizov
Ovechkin

What's the chance you watch more than 1-2 games in a row where you don't see any of the above making at least a couple of notable plays, regardless of whether they are goals and assists? Huberdeau isn't even making wow plays that don't result in goals or chances and this goes back 85 games, not just his current extension.

How many of those guys have scored 115 points in a season? He got the contract because of that. Also did you see the game last night? Ovechkin was terrible.

And what do you guys plan to do about it anyway? Complain for 8 years

GioforPM · 10-17-2023, 04:35 PM

I dunno - I see Huberdeau making phenomenal "wow" passes a lot, this year and last. Passes which don't get converted much.

Calgary4LIfe · 10-17-2023, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

How many of those guys have scored 115 points in a season? He got the contract because of that. Also did you see the game last night? Ovechkin was terrible.

And what do you guys plan to do about it anyway? Complain for 8 years

Ovechkin is 38 years old. THIRTY EIGHT. Let's see how good Huberdeau does in his 38 year old season. I am hoping and praying he has half of the production Ovechkin has had from 30-38.

As for your comment about 'what do you guys plan on doing about it anyway'? Like.. WTF??? I guess anyone in the future who has any negative thing to say about the Calgary Flames in any way, including their players, must PM you with a rough draft for your approval? LoL

It is hilarious how you knocked Gaudreau in some posts in this thread. I would trade Huberdeau for Gaudreau in a heartbeat, as at least Gaudreau has shown himself to be a complete game-breaker in his time in Calgary on multiple occasions - way too many to even remember. I haven't seen Huberdeau take over a game once since he arrived. That's the issue that people have. You can defend him all you like, but you aren't going to get anywhere with your 'what are you guys going to do about it' nonsense.

Winsor_Pilates · 10-17-2023, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

How many of those guys have scored 115 points in a season? He got the contract because of that. Also did you see the game last night? Ovechkin was terrible.

And what do you guys plan to do about it anyway? Complain for 8 years

One things for certain.
You'll complain about the people complaining for 8 years.

dino7c · 10-17-2023, 05:11 PM

Leads the team in scoring chances
Leads the team in HD scoring chances
Leads the team in shots
Thrown a couple massive hits
Positive chances vs chances against numbers
PPG

Seems to be headed in the right direction??

What's the point of hating on him because he sucked last season? Pat is correct, confirmation bias. The contract is already done no point in crying about it....I would rather have an 8M player for 10.5M than a 3M player for 10.5.

Gaudreau and Tkachuk chose to leave! If you want to blame someone blame them dont just hate on Huberdeau for signing a contract.