[Signing] Leafs re-sign Matthews (4 Years, $13.25M AAV)

[CgyFlamesftw]

Mcdavid will be around 16m aav. Draisaitl will one up Matthews so 13.5m. Oilers will have 30 million tied up to those 2 with a cap to be around 90-95 million in 3 years. Cap problems be real very soon.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

Mcdavid will be around 16m aav. Draisaitl will one up Matthews so 13.5m. Oilers will have 30 million tied up to those 2 with a cap to be around 90-95 million in 3 years. Cap problems be real very soon.

If they don't win a cup soon I doubt they both are oilers in 3 years.

[Erick Estrada]

The Leafs are much better with Matthews than without so it's hard to criticize this signing as I assume the player didn't want to sign long term. This contract will be leapfrogged in a few years as Draisaitl will likely fetch $14+ and McDavid $16+ on the market.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

You also said there was talks of Nylander and the Flames! is that back on the table? Please tell me its back on the table lol? I need a good rumor!

That was weeks ago, it is absolutely dead on my end for the Flames.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

Mcdavid will be around 16m aav. Draisaitl will one up Matthews so 13.5m. Oilers will have 30 million tied up to those 2 with a cap to be around 90-95 million in 3 years. Cap problems be real very soon.

I would put the odds of McDavid signing another deal in Edmonton at about 1% He will end up in a major US market making more in endorsements than his contract. I know Gretzky works as an ambassador for the Oilers but he is also a very smart businessman, he will advise Connor to go to the US.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think it's terrible, just nothing special...and it was the player who wanted less years not the team.

MacKinnon is a way better player, especially when it counts. Unless I am remembering it wrong Matthews had ZERO goals against the Panthers

Supporting cast matters. Who exactly are Toronto's equivalents of Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog?

If you break down $$ per point this won't be one of the better deals in the league

The AAV is artificially high due to the shorter term. Therefore $/point is not that relevant in this case.

[dino7c]

$$ per point is always relevant

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Supporting cast matters. Who exactly are Toronto's equivalents of Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog?



The AAV is artificially high due to the shorter term. Therefore $/point is not that relevant in this case.

TO has no Makar (but who does). Rantanen is a notch better than Marner, but Marner ain’t chopped liver. Landeskog is likely done though, and Toronto still has Tavares and Nylander (for now).

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

$$ per point is always relevant

Read it again, I didn't say completely irrelevant, I said not that relevant due to inflated AAV.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

TO has no Makar (but who does). Rantanen is a notch better than Marner, but Marner ain’t chopped liver. Landeskog is likely done though, and Toronto still has Tavares and Nylander (for now).

MacKinnon getting to play with Landeskog, Makar, and Rantanen has been a big contributing factor to his playoff point totals, was my point.

While MacKinnon is better than Matthews, the difference isn't that large.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

$$ per point is always relevant

how does $$ per goal look?

[dino7c]

He will be the highest paid player in the league so he better be a top scorer I guess

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would put the odds of McDavid signing another deal in Edmonton at about 1% He will end up in a major US market making more in endorsements than his contract. I know Gretzky works as an ambassador for the Oilers but he is also a very smart businessman, he will advise Connor to go to the US.

What does Sidney Crosby make in endorsements?
Big Read: How Sidney Crosby built hockey's most lucrative brand
And that hasn't lessened his popularity one bit: Twelve seasons into his NHL career, Crosby's sweater is still the league's best-seller, and his $4.5 million in annual sponsorship revenue, as reported by Forbes, outstrips any other player in the game. Being the best hockey player in the world certainly helps

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So MvDavid is going to get a $16milAAV (guessing) and get more than that in endorsements when Sidney Crosby makes more than anyone in the game in endorsements at $4.5mil/yr?

I can't see how that would happen, hockey players generally don't make much in endorsements like the NFL and NBA players can. He's just another bland, boring white Canadian personality like Crosby in a sport that doesn't resonate with most of the US.

But even more shocking in your post is the idea that Wayne Gretzky, an employee of the Oilers would advise a generational talent that could bring them a cup, continued sellouts and jersey sales to leave because he's also a smart business man? What on earth?

[stamps]

I'm happy for my Toronto fan neighbor ... positive news !!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by jayswin

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So MvDavid is going to get a $16milAAV (guessing) and get more than that in endorsements when Sidney Crosby makes more than anyone in the game in endorsements at $4.5mil/yr?

I can't see how that would happen, hockey players generally don't make much in endorsements like the NFL and NBA players can. He's just another bland, boring white Canadian personality like Crosby in a sport that doesn't resonate with most of the US.

But even more shocking in your post is the idea that Wayne Gretzky, an employee of the Oilers would advise a generational talent that could bring them a cup, continued sellouts and jersey sales to leave because he's also a smart business man? What on earth?

Have to agree. Odd statements to make.

But I do look forward to a Mcdavidless Oilers if it happens and how they will butcher the return for him, if they get any at all (maybe they pull a Johnny Gaudreau and delude themselves into believing he re-signs then he doesn't).

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by Locke

Honestly? I still think that this is Matthews leading Treliving around by the nose.

Kind of funny how Steve Simmons article today says Treliving has told him he hates 8 yr. deals. Big change of thinking after he stuck Calgary with a couple of these long term deals last year!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by dino7c

$$ per point is always relevant

No it isn't. It doesn't scale.

A guy who scores 20 points for 2 million bucks is FAR less valuable than a guy who scores 100 points for 10 million, everything else being equal... because first of all, the 2 million guy is much more easily replaced, and second, both those guys take up the same amount of space in your lineup.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

No it isn't. It doesn't scale.

A guy who scores 20 points for 2 million bucks is FAR less valuable than a guy who scores 100 points for 10 million, everything else being equal... because first of all, the 2 million guy is much more easily replaced, and second, both those guys take up the same amount of space in your lineup.

Yeah but 100 points for 13.25? Maybe

Matthews has hit 100 points one time....being injured every season isn't a positive. I think Matthews needs to be at least a 100 point player and even then the contract is just okay.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have done it, really they didn't have much choice. It's just not some great deal or something IMO. The player will have to have career highs to even make it decent value IMO. Maybe he will...being the highest paid player in the league comes with some pressure. Let's see how many times he is top 3 in scoring and if he can carry it over to the playoffs.

Same posters that said PPG isn't good enough for Huberdeau at 10.5 are saying this is a steal.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

To me, Matthew's isn't worth 13.5 by today's metrics to any team.

I'd say he's a $10-11M player.

But he's been hyped up to be a more impactful player than he actually is and he himself has bought into it, so here we are.

Have fun trying to keep Nylander now.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah but 100 points for 13.25? Maybe

Matthews has hit 100 points one time....being injured every season isn't a positive. I think Matthews needs to be at least a 100 point player and even then the contract is just okay.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have done it, really they didn't have much choice. It's just not some great deal or something IMO. The player will have to have career highs to even make it decent value IMO. Maybe he will...being the highest paid player in the league comes with some pressure. Let's see how many times he is top 3 in scoring and if he can carry it over to the playoffs.

Same posters that said PPG isn't good enough for Huberdeau at 10.5 are saying this is a steal.

Matthews isn't getting this contract to get 100 points, they want him to hit 50-60 goals every year, assists are just gravy, he's the finisher. Might be a little much but I think contracts are going to go up at the top end and their really won't be many 4-5 million guys in the next 5 years, you either make 7 and above or 3 and under.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Matthews isn't getting this contract to get 100 points, they want him to hit 50-60 goals every year, assists are just gravy, he's the finisher. Might be a little much but I think contracts are going to go up at the top end and their really won't be many 4-5 million guys in the next 5 years, you either make 7 and above or 3 and under.

According to Luszczyszyn this contract is an underpayment for what he provides according to his metrics. If the salary cap increases like everyone seems to think it's going to be looked at as a pretty good deal. I simply think we are heading to a point where star players are going to be allotted larger percentages of team salary caps and bottom six players are going to see little to no growth in salaries.