2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Sandman]

We’re really going to be disappointed methinks…..

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Don't get too attached to a hanifin replacement.

There are potentially franchise players lurking at 9OA

I'm looking at it from a toned down "what would Murray want" perspective. And, I think Murray wants as streamlined risee to the playoffs as possible .

I know full well whats up in the top ten but I think Detroit wants to be there or move that for Debrincat.

At least from the angle I'm postulating it works for all parties involved.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sorry but what does "not distant futures" mean? Futures that aren't far away, or not futures at all?

Thanks Sec. Thought I might get some work done today but I guess not now.

I would asssume 20-22 year old prospects, probably in the AHL.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Does a 50 percent retained Toffoli get you 20th OA from SEA?

Easily imo. Toffoli at 2.125 is probably worth more than that too.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sorry but what does "not distant futures" mean? Futures that aren't far away, or not futures at all?

Thanks Sec. Thought I might get some work done today but I guess not now.

Players 1-2 years into the league.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If the Flames go full retention on Lindy, Hanifin and Toffoli, the returns should be in l8ne with fans lofty desires. Extensions negotiated or not.

Honestly, if you knock it out of the park with those 3 trades, plus sucking next year. After next years draft, you would probably be looking to slowly get competitive already.

[MrMike]

Having such a weak free agent class combined with how big of an arms race the East seems to be is really going to help with these returns.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Sec214

I think the Lindholm trade is sleeping here atm. They love the idea but Calgary's demand is firm. Do they get desperate.

Thats Wyatt Johnston or nothing if your previous whisper is correct.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’m guessing Carolina. They asked about Lindholm at the deadline. And they’re one of the few teams that can take on substantial cap without sending any back.

As for the prospects, Nikishin is locked into his KHL deal until 2025, so he’s isn’t “not too distant.” Morrow would be a nice get, but I doubt Carolina want to deal their top prospect. So you’re probably looking at Rees (21), Gunler (21), or Honka (22). Maybe two of the above.

And Brindamour apparently loves Elias.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Some of the craftier veteran GMs probably see Conroy's effusive personality as being overly eager, and are willing to sit back and play a bit of rope-a-dope.

We are about to find out how shrewd the guy is.

[Beninho]

Thanks for distracting me from my breakup Sec214, F5 season in full effect now

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If the Flames go full retention on Lindy, Hanifin and Toffoli, the returns should be in l8ne with fans lofty desires. Extensions negotiated or not.

The returns that Conroy could fetch for:

- Lindholm
- Hanifin
- Toffoli (50% retained)
- Backlund (50% retained)
- Tanev (50% retained)

Would act as the backbone for an entirely new build of the Calgary Flames. I don't think retention is as important on Lindholm and Hanifin, because the teams that I'd expect to be targeting players like that (and going after long-term extensions) have the cap space available this year to easily swallow their sub-$5M salaries.

Maximizing returns on Backs, Toff, and Tanev though would be to ship those guys to contenders on the brink (Leafs, Rangers, Canes?) where they're likely looking to minimize salary intake at all costs.

This is why I hope Conroy does it this Summer. This is the tear down Summer in my eyes and provides us the shortest path to a new beginning.

Summer 2023: Rip down.

Season 2023/2024: No significant adds, trade off bits at the deadline, maximize your own 2024 1st round pick

Summer 2024: Do whatever. You want to go right back to spending like a mad-man in free agency? Fine...but at least we restocked in in 2023/2024.

[Mr.Coffee]

20th overall for a 50% retained Toffoli is absolutely fair, if not SEA needs to add more. That is a huge amount of value. Toffoli is legit and consistent.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I would asssume 20-22 year old prospects, probably in the AHL.

I’d think players that have made the NHL already but haven’t yet had their breakout season.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Sandman

We’re really going to be disappointed methinks…..

Maybe if the UFA market was like last summer..

But there are very few top 4 D and good centers available and both these guys have cap friendly salaries that can also be retained.

I think it's the perfect storm for the Flames to get somewhere in the ballpark of fans desires on the returns.

Given the rumored interest so far I think they could corner the market on teams looking to add at those two positions.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Thanks for distracting me from my breakup Sec214, F5 season in full effect now

We love you buddy.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Personally Detroit would surprise me a bit, they have Larkin and Kasper is slated to be their #2 centre this year and he is a beast prospect IMO, though maybe they want to press FFWD.

Kasper is only 19 years old and easily could play wing, he is listed there on many sites already.

if Detroit wants to start winning easily can fit Lindholm in at center with the young kid starting out on the wing. If he ends up surpassing Lindholm or Larkin both those guys have played wing as well in their careers.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Players 1-2 years into the league.

This makes me think it’s Carolina. 30th overall + Seth Jarvis + 62nd overall.

The picks are late… but Jarvis is a very good young player who looks ready to pop. First two years in the league he has put together back-to-back 40 point seasons and looked awesome in the playoffs. He plays centre and I think would be a great fit with Huberdeau.


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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm crazy but I like 17 and a higher d prospect more than Zadina and 9th OA.

Edvinsson is perfect to replace Hanifin.

I doubt Edvinsson is on the table. He's a foundational piece for them. And they have other assets they can bundle together.
Beggren is perhaps a guy that fits the "not too far away" insight.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Some of the craftier veteran GMs probably see Conroy's effusive personality as being overly eager, and are willing to sit back and play a bit of rope-a-dope.

We are about to find out how shrewd the guy is.

Probably more shrewd than many think. I personally think that the engaging personality hides a very smart mind...and he's got some good advice coming from others as well. He didn't seem pleased at Tre's approach at all...so suspect we'll see a very different manner of attack.