[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Dion

Slava tried to debate some issues but gave up on a number of occasions. Minds were already made up.

And Slava is a moderate who leans Liberal. That thread is dominated by a handful of posters who spend all day there patting each other on the back and waiting to attack.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s not bait. Literally, what fresh faces and views? Are you talking about Smith herself? She’s not new.

What new people are you excited about?

Not talking about Smith, she’s 1 voice of many voices that have been elected today. I’m excited about literally any new voice that has been elected regardless of party affiliation.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by zamler

Have you considered moving to a place that represents your values? I can't understand why you'd stay in a province that is so vile.

You do realize that opposition views in the province make good democracy. Sure, the party we wanted to win didn’t but people can continue to fight for their cause and stand up to their government. A strong opposition holds politicians accountable and provides good governance. Is it shocking that people love this city and province but don’t align with the ruling party?

From your comments I assume you’re a conservative supporter. Would it then not be ignorant to ask you to leave Canada since I’m sure you have a strong dislike for our current Prime Minister.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Alberta has only recently turned this vile and for the last year there was hope that the province wasn’t actually as awful as this since Smith never faced an election.

Anyone else remember back when just before Christmas Ralph Klein drunkenly stumbled into a homeless shelter and threw a pocketful of change on the ground while insulting people and telling them all to get jobs, while he was in office as Premier?

Alberta has always loved the rogues and had a space in its heart for the Trumpy types.

This result is not surprising.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Muta

These next four years will be an absolute roller coaster of embarrassment and disappointment. Buckle up.

In your opinion.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by zamler

Have you considered moving to a place that represents your values? I can't understand why you'd stay in a province that is so vile.

They didn't comment specifically on this province, they commented on the pervasive toxicity of neo-politica.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Dion

Bull! He was mocked and ridiculed for hs views. No amount of debate was going to change people's minds here.

No his points were refuted and he couldn’t back them up, likely because he knew there was no supporting then and was trying to find a way to justify supporting the UCP.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

A smoke machine for Smith's entrance. So much cringe.

Just like Trumpy Bear

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

There’s definitely a lot of heat geared towards Smith, which I think gave the NDP a lot of momentum.

At the end of the day, I hope this is the last time we see either of these leaders run. Time for new voices at the heads of both of these parties.

Crazy (and unfortunate) to see that the other parties seemed to have had their support absolutely ravaged by this “two party system” in Alberta.

Most of the other parties run to the right of even the UCP, though. Smith managed to recapture that side of the vote with a lot of dog whistles though.

Notley said she’s not going anywhere and I’m good with that, because she’s a competent public servant. We’ll see if she hangs on until the next election though.

Smith is just going to be emboldened. All that spin by candidates and proxies of getting rid of her was just an attempt to save votes. There’s a reason a lot of the educated and more traditional conservatives like Schweitzer and Aheer took off. They couldn’t work with her and couldn’t get rid of her.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by browna

For that to happen you'd also need to have the support to do that if your campaign contributors to go off the NDP and any financial support from the NDP proper and from last elections.

While Notley may be closer to center than most NDP'ers in this province and in this country, starting a new party in the middle wouldn't likely have brought over enough campaign funds or party structure and organization from those supporters on the far left and NDPer who wave the flag in general no matter who leads the party.

OK, but if the argument is they're too attached to the Federal NDP to exist independently, then all the smears about Jagmeet running the show are arguably true.

If they had a new party with a new name, ran under purple colors for being in the centre (and for Nenshi voters!) I think they'd have won. I've been saying it for years, but they needed every vote they could get to win this even with Danielle "own goal" Smith. Turning away the votes from the people who wouldn't ever vote NDP for historical reasons was foolish.

And frankly, concerns about losing their far-left base were also foolish. That's a small group in AB anyway, and realistically those people are very likely going to vote for you anyway. In a two horse race they'll mostly pick the closer party to them.

A couple of years would have given them time to organize, fundraise, and distance themselves from the federal NDP. They don't have to do that if they don't want to, but I don't think they'll ever win again in Alberta if they don't.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

In your opinion.

Why does this need to be pointed out?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

In your opinion.

If the last four years have proven anything, it's more than just an opinion.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

You do realize that opposition views in the province make good democracy. Sure, the party we wanted to win didn’t but people can continue to fight for their cause and stand up to their government. A strong opposition holds politicians accountable and provides good governance. Is it shocking that people love this city and province but don’t align with the ruling party?

From your comments I assume you’re a conservative supporter. Would it then not be ignorant to ask you to leave Canada since I’m sure you have a strong dislike for our current Prime Minister.

Was gonna say the same as your last point.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Muta

These next four years will be an absolute roller coaster of embarrassment and disappointment. Buckle up.

Just a few more posts like this should get your point accross.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Why does this need to be pointed out?

Because of the amount of people spewing bull$&@* as fact. Pretty simple really.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jacks

And Slava is a moderate who leans Liberal. That thread is dominated by a handful of posters who spend all day there patting each other on the back and waiting to attack.

That pretty much sums up what I saw going on. I felt bad for Yoho for all the abuse he got.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Dion

Bull! He was mocked and ridiculed for hs views. No amount of debate was going to change people's minds here.

Debate isn’t necessarily to change minds but to express differing opinions for them to be heard.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Dion

That pretty much sums up what I saw going on. I felt bad for Yoho for all the abuse he got.

You were the Yoho from 2019...

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

So proud of Rachel for a great speech. I’m glad she’s not stepping down. I hope she and the NDP learn from this - an election they blew, in my opinion.

Politicians need to learn when to walk away, Notley needs to go, nobody should have lost to Smith. It couldn't have gotten any easier for Notley. As much as some people like her, she is not good at this game.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

You do realize that opposition views in the province make good democracy. Sure, the party we wanted to win didn’t but people can continue to fight for their cause and stand up to their government. A strong opposition holds politicians accountable and provides good governance. Is it shocking that people love this city and province but don’t align with the ruling party?

From your comments I assume you’re a conservative supporter. Would it then not be ignorant to ask you to leave Canada since I’m sure you have a strong dislike for our current Prime Minister.

Because I'm not an extremist, to be blunt quite a few in this thread come across as one. I strongly dislike our federal government but always hope for the best. If I thought they were doing a great job I'd vote for them.

And I believe Alberta and Canada is strong and resilient.