getting a little tired of the crack/meth heads

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

The hardest of the hard drugs.

Wait...is viagra part of the proposal?

[Fuzzy14]

Not my area of law, so this is definitely #notlegaladvice, but my guess is individuals would be detained pursuant to the Mental Health Act (an amended version), and not the criminal code.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Sliver

If you throw it in a mountain valley...

Is this “retreat” plan just a way to get your new mountain village built with free labour?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Is there such thing as a not-so-bad concentration camp? I know they get a bad rap (and deservedly so), but is there a way to build a barbed-wire fence around a large area with some longhouses, basic sanitation and meals? I'm not even joking. Is there not a point at which we say, 'yeah, you're not allowed to live in a tent at the neighbourhood park and smoke meth all day...sorry, we thought you knew that, but if we catch you again it's off to the camp'.

Sounds like a Hutterite Colony.

Actually, that would be an interesting idea. What if every colony in Southern Alberta offered work/housing/food to a handful of homeless people who don't have violent records and are genuinely making an effort to turn their lives around? I wonder how many people that could get off the street?

[PaperBagger'14]

Saw a dead guy a few weeks ago downtown while working. He was completely blue and his friends had hit him with narcan a few times already. I called 911 for them and waited for the ambulance. Honestly though with how bad he looked for a late 20s guy, I think death would probably be the preferable outcome. I'm no doctor but it looked real bad and that 5-10 minutes he was down for would surely have done some serious damage, if he came back at all.

Weirdly though, I'm sad it came to that point but not upset or disturbed in seeing it.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by getbak

Sounds like a Hutterite Colony.

Actually, that would be an interesting idea. What if every colony in Southern Alberta offered work/housing/food to a handful of homeless people who don't have violent records and are genuinely making an effort to turn their lives around? I wonder how many people that could get off the street?

They could probably use some fresh genes into their pool, too.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Is there such thing as a not-so-bad concentration camp? I know they get a bad rap (and deservedly so), but is there a way to build a barbed-wire fence around a large area with some longhouses, basic sanitation and meals? I'm not even joking. Is there not a point at which we say, 'yeah, you're not allowed to live in a tent at the neighbourhood park and smoke meth all day...sorry, we thought you knew that, but if we catch you again it's off to the camp'.

There was a Star Trek Deep Space Nine episode in the early 90s that kind of dealt with this. I think it was even a two-parter, so it was a big deal and obviously provided more of an in-depth look at this complex, multi-faceted issue than just a single one-hour episode would have

The crew somehow got sent back in time to San Francisco in the 2020s <?> and a huge district of the city was walled off Escape From New York-style. It started out with free housing, social supports, and as I recall it began as a well-intentioned initiative to get people back on their feet, but basically became what you would call a "not so bad concentration camp." I think it even had a fluffy name like Paradise City

This guy named Graham Bell died after the ship landed on him after it was flung/sucked/blown across time (ding-dong, hello Wizard of Oz?), so Captain Sisko had to pretend to be him because Bell was an important historical figure. Then there was a riot led by Bell and *poof* all the problems of the day were solved network TV style when the rest of society were made aware of what was going on inside the concentration camp. Anyway . . .

I can't remember if there was a drug epidemic going on, but I think it's pretty safe to assume there was

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

There was a Star Trek Deep Space Nine episode in the early 90s that kind of dealt with this. I think it was even a two-parter, so it was a big deal and obviously provided more of an in-depth look at this complex, multi-faceted issue than just a single one-hour episode would have

The crew somehow got sent back in time to San Francisco in the 2020s <?> and a huge district of the city was walled off Escape From New York-style. It started out with free housing, social supports, and as I recall it began as a well-intentioned initiative to get people back on their feet, but basically became what you would call a "not so bad concentration camp." I think it even had a fluffy name like Paradise City

This guy named Graham Bell died after the ship landed on him after it was flung/sucked/blown across time (ding-dong, hello Wizard of Oz?), so Captain Sisko had to pretend to be him because Bell was an important historical figure. Then there was a riot led by Bell and *poof* all the problems of the day were solved network TV style when the rest of society were made aware of what was going on inside the concentration camp. Anyway . . .

I can't remember if there was a drug epidemic going on, but I think it's pretty safe to assume there was

Ya, in the writers room.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

This has definitely worked in the US and has had no massive ramifications or social echos at all

The issue with America prison systems isn’t so much that they’re locking up violent offenders though.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by 81MC

The issue with America prison systems isn’t so much that they’re locking up violent offenders though.

While a reasonable point, the frothy-mouthed OP said "bigger" prisons, which intoned either that we don't have enough space for violent offenders (unlikely) or he wants to lock up people for vagrancy.

The US allusion was more to their propensity to lock up everyone to feed the Private Prison Industrial Complex and the politicians that benefit from it

[White Out 403]

So frothy.

[powderjunkie]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/brilliant...fety-1.6344224

Hansen says the vacant Greyhound Station is a great location for this kind of project.

"A lot of cities don't have a site like that so close to their urban core that isn't slated for immediate development," said Hansen in an interview with CTV News.

"It also has those really amazing natural barriers that make the site really unique."

Those include the Bow River in the north, CP railway lines to the south and 14th Street to the east.

This could make a ton of sense for the short-mid term.

The dealerships would need extra security to protect their catalytic converters. I'm sure the Merc dealership in particular will not be stoked.

Another concern I'd have is the proximity to Millennium Park...this is a broad stereotype, but I'd worry that there might be a fair number of skater kids who might be vulnerable to the influence this could bring.

[chemgear]

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pm...st-year-police

Edmonton recorded highest number of violent crimes last year

Sean Tout, the force’s executive director of information management and analytics, said the trend of violence has continued so far this year. Violent crimes in Edmonton during the first quarter of 2023 were up by about six per cent compared to the same period in 2022.

“The volume of violent crime, the severity of violent crime and violence perpetrated against these victims continues to increase in the city of Edmonton at alarming rates,” Tout told a news conference Friday.

Last year, at least 15,040 violent crimes were reported in Edmonton — an increase of 16.5 per cent from 2021, the data suggests. Tout said assaults, intimidation and robbery saw the biggest jump between 2021 and 2022.

Tout said the severity of violence against victims “is equally concerning.” In 2022, there was a 25 per cent hike in violence that involved a firearm.


Edmonton police data shows that 2,880 people were arrested and released in 2017. Of those, 1,784 people, or 60 per cent, were involved in violent crimes again, including three homicides between 2017 and 2019.

After Bill C-75 was passed, at least 3,647 people were arrested and released in 2020 in Edmonton.

Of those, 2,482 people, or 68 per cent, were engaged in violent crimes again, with 26 homicides between 2020 and January 2023.


“We know we have a small number of individuals disproportionately responsible for a large number of the volume of occurrences that equates to a large resource draw in identifying these individuals and holding them to account,” said Tout.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

There was a Star Trek Deep Space Nine episode in the early 90s that kind of dealt with this. I think it was even a two-parter, so it was a big deal and obviously provided more of an in-depth look at this complex, multi-faceted issue than just a single one-hour episode would have

The crew somehow got sent back in time to San Francisco in the 2020s <?> and a huge district of the city was walled off Escape From New York-style. It started out with free housing, social supports, and as I recall it began as a well-intentioned initiative to get people back on their feet, but basically became what you would call a "not so bad concentration camp." I think it even had a fluffy name like Paradise City

This guy named Graham Bell died after the ship landed on him after it was flung/sucked/blown across time (ding-dong, hello Wizard of Oz?), so Captain Sisko had to pretend to be him because Bell was an important historical figure. Then there was a riot led by Bell and *poof* all the problems of the day were solved network TV style when the rest of society were made aware of what was going on inside the concentration camp. Anyway . . .

I can't remember if there was a drug epidemic going on, but I think it's pretty safe to assume there was

It was Sanctuary District in the episode and 30 years ahead of its time:

https://www.cruz.senate.gov/newsroom...ary-cities-act

[Engine09]

Is it only paramedics that have access to those Naloxone kits?

Over the weekend I saw 2 of these kits open on ground in a bus shelter, maybe half a dozen needles on the ground spread all over the place.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Engine09

Is it only paramedics that have access to those Naloxone kits?

Over the weekend I saw 2 of these kits open on ground in a bus shelter, maybe half a dozen needles on the ground spread all over the place.

No, anyone can get them for free.

https://www.albertahealthservices.ca...page15586.aspx

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Engine09

Is it only paramedics that have access to those Naloxone kits?

Over the weekend I saw 2 of these kits open on ground in a bus shelter, maybe half a dozen needles on the ground spread all over the place.

The crazy thing is (I might be wrong, I'm not a drug expert) some of these insane new drugs are Naloxone resistant.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Locke

The crazy thing is (I might be wrong, I'm not a drug expert) some of these insane new drugs are Naloxone resistant.

I'm guessing you're thinking of the tranquilizer xalazine (xylazine?), which Naloxone doesn't help with because it's not an opiate. That's the one I've read about.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Engine09

Is it only paramedics that have access to those Naloxone kits?

Over the weekend I saw 2 of these kits open on ground in a bus shelter, maybe half a dozen needles on the ground spread all over the place.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

No, anyone can get them for free.

https://www.albertahealthservices.ca...page15586.aspx

My daughter recertified her first aid last year and if I'm not mistaken the instructor showed them how to administer it as well. Not sure if it was part of the course or just for those who were interested as an aside.

[The Fisher Account]

Last couple weeks have noticed a huge difference on Transit.

Cops at all major stations. Been checked for transit tickets/passes.

Anyone else?