Are flames fans concerned about the team leaving if the arena situation falls through

[Jiri Hrdina]

In my view if they don't soon find a solution to the building, then yes moving is a real possibility.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

Not sure what is better, the Devil you know, or the Devil you don't. An ownership change does not necessarily mean a new owner would be different or better.

The Devil we know provides financial stability, but almost guaranteed middling performance on the ice. The Devil we don't know may lead to financial instability, and performance that's even worse.

And yet, after 30 years of mediocrity, and nothing to indicate that will change moving forward, I'm ready to risk it!

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Redlan

Nobody is buying the Flames (with the intent to keep the team in Calgary) without a new venue to play in.

No team will relocate, nor will an expansion team come to Calgary without an new venue to play in.

Like it or not, a partnership on the the building costs of an Event Centre is inevitable and in the best interest of the City and the CSEC - they both know it.

Nobody is buying the Sens without a new venue…other than the half dozen offers they’ve had (and a Ottawa has not approved any sort of deal to this point).


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[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

In my view if they don't soon find a solution to the building, then yes moving is a real possibility.

This highly depends on if the situation is poisoned by the current owner or not. Like in Ottawa (or Washington in the NFL) - these new owners suspect they can get cities/states to play ball because the old owner tainted the process.

You'd also may a boatload of money if you're the owner of the arena when it is built.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Redlan

Nobody is buying the Flames (with the intent to keep the team in Calgary) without a new venue to play in.

No team will relocate, nor will an expansion team come to Calgary without an new venue to play in.

Like it or not, a partnership on the the building costs of an Event Centre is inevitable and in the best interest of the City and the CSEC - they both know it.

Why does this keep being brought up now. The city and CSEC did come to an agreement. CSEC decided to terminate that agreement.

[powderjunkie]

For the flames to move:

1. Someone has to offer more than anybody else who is willing to keep the team local …

2. which also has to be less than any other owner in the league is willing to accept for their team.

3. Be someone the other NHL owners want to let into their club

4. Pay a big relocation fee - I’d venture at least $200M, but impossible to say.

5. Find a better arena situation (spoiler alert: not Houston)

#’s 2-5 make #1 incredibly unlikely.


It’s also important to remember that their are 4 owners here - nobody seems to know the exact breakdown. Presumably Murray has 50%+, but there is also speculation that it’s closer to equal (e.g 40/20/20/20). A sale doesn’t necessarily mean buying 100%. These sales often seem to happen in stages, where it take me a few years before the previous majority owner is out entirely (if they ever are).


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[Reggie Dunlop]

McCaig, Libin and Markin have to okay any sale.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

For the flames to move:

1. Someone has to offer more than anybody else who is willing to keep the team local …

2. which also has to be less than any other owner in the league is willing to accept for their team.

3. Be someone the other NHL owners want to let into their club

4. Pay a big relocation fee - I’d venture at least $200M, but impossible to say.

5. Find a better arena situation (spoiler alert: not Houston)

#’s 2-5 make #1 incredibly unlikely.


It’s also important to remember that their are 4 owners here - nobody seems to know the exact breakdown. Presumably Murray has 50%+, but there is also speculation that it’s closer to equal (e.g 40/20/20/20). A sale doesn’t necessarily mean buying 100%. These sales often seem to happen in stages, where it take me a few years before the previous majority owner is out entirely (if they ever are).


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For the Flames to move:

It requires NHL Board of Governors approval. Period. The rest is noise. See the last relocations to take place.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

For the Flames to move:

It requires NHL Board of Governors approval. Period. The rest is noise. See the last relocations to take place.

Alright, but it’s gonna take me a while to wade through all one of them from the last 25 years.


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[kevman]

Originally Posted by joborule

this forum is unhinged right now. This season has hurt some a lot.

After a few weeks of settling down, the dramatics should dissipate.

I can't wait for a new arena deal to be down soon, and shovels actually in the ground. Then we can finallyend this discussion about the flames leaving for good 25 years until the new stadium needs to be replaced; and pretend it'll be a good thing for this city. It's not happening.

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[442scotty]

Very doubtful they are going anywhere. But, life goes on and we’d find someone to cheer for.

[Roof-Daddy]

Please, move the team to Houston or wherever.

Then have an expansion group build a new arena and bring an expansion team to Calgary.

New arena and an instant, sustainable contender in the first or second season more than likely. And a new arena that actually helps recruit and keep good players, the few good players that don't mind a moronic, rabid Canadian fanbase and cold weather.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Please, move the team to Houston or wherever.

Then have an expansion group build a new arena and bring an expansion team to Calgary.

New arena and an instant, sustainable contender in the first or second season more than likely. And a new arena that actually helps recruit and keep good players, the few good players that don't mind a moronic, rabid Canadian fanbase and cold weather.

That was/is the Quebec City plan.

Wonder how it's working for them?

NHL team moves to greener pastures - Check
Build new arena - Check
Get an ownership group interested in bringing NHL back - Check
Get new expansion NHL team! - still waiting......and waiting....and waiting....

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why does this keep being brought up now. The city and CSEC did come to an agreement. CSEC decided to terminate that agreement.

And why does this keep being brought up? The termination of one agreement does not preclude the creation of another. An arena is needed, and a deal will be made.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And why does this keep being brought up? The termination of one agreement does not preclude the creation of another. An arena is needed, and a deal will be made.

Because people keep saying "if the city doesn't help with the arena, they'll leave", even though the city has approved a deal.

And also because people keep repeating that the city cratered the deal, which is objectively not true.

[FanIn80]

Speaking of "why do things keep bring brought up" ... why are we discussing the team leaving anyway? Has something happened since the last update I saw in mid-March (that things were progressing positively)?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Speaking of "why do things keep bring brought up" ... why are we discussing the team leaving anyway? Has something happened since the last update I saw in mid-March (that things were progressing positively)?

Hmmmm.....

Originally Posted by puckbrain

stuff like what you said could be the reason the flames may relocate if they can't get that arena built...

Originally Posted by puckbrain

since the flames were booted from the playoffs, will this end the arena debate?

will the flames relocate to houston if this arena crisis is not solved?

Originally Posted by puckbrain

if they don't get a new arena, they might....

Originally Posted by puckbrain

does killing the arena deal means the flames will leave calgary?

Originally Posted by puckbrain

if the flames move, nhl will never come back calgary...

you can bet on that..

Originally Posted by puckbrain

how is the arena in calgary doing?


are there any problems?


is the city refusing to fund for the project?


need to know...

Originally Posted by puckbrain

i read that the city is backing out of the arena deal....


does this mean the flames will leave calgary?

coming back to my point....i think people in calgary invest too much time investing in this team...they will never win a cup; they will never repeat the level of success like they did in the 1980s...

i think the mental health of calgary fans could be improved if flames weren't in calgary..

thoughts..

houston bound.....

the city should have allowed the flames to pay for the arena themselves, this might allow the owner to bolt from calgary and move 'em to a US city such as Houston...

[The Yen Man]

I'm not concerned about them moving, I'm more concerned that not having a new building means it's harder to attract UFAs or retain RFAs. Calgary already has a hard enough time attracting players. Having crappy ass facilities definitely doesn't help.

Plus, the fact that a city like Calgary has McMahon and the Saddledome as their primary venues is pretty embarrassing.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Hmmmm.....

lol. Clearly this is one of those times I should have started reading a thread from the beginning.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

lol. Clearly this is one of those times I should have started reading a thread from the beginning.

His Greatest Hits.

Pretty much this guy's schtick...