[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Who had Scotty Nichol on their bingo card?

He'd be a spittinlgy good GM

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Sec214

The fact you think Sutter chased off those listed is 100% garbage. The circle points directly to Murray Edwards as he is majority owner. He lowballed Johnny 7.5-8x8 (Tre wanted to go 9.5 and it was a flat no…he hung up) He didn’t want to go long term with Matthew when his camped wanted too (“I don’t pay 50 point kids 8Million”) and he undermined the GM and extended the HC because players already told them LAST summer they wanted out from here because of the “Intensity”.

He pressured BT into extending Huberdeau without playing a ####ing game. He was upset Johnny walked away from 84 Million dollars he wanted to prove he was a entitled prick. Murray Edwards walked away from a closed arena deal for 20 ####ing million of solar panels.

Wake the #### up Flames fans. This isn’t sutter, this isn’t the GM.

This is your ####ing meddling billionaire owner. Who only cares about money and money only. He could careless about if we stop showing up. He will sell the team and he has all the power. He doesn’t give a #### about a product only that it makes money.

Guy sends his #### wagon John Bean out to act all frantic, dodge any meaningful questions because he know we always go away easy. Bean is a money man who makes you pay 2 ####ing dollars for butter when the large bag costs 30 cents to produce and sell for 7 dollars…

Wake up Flames Fans.

Appreciative of this information. Thank you for the post.

We need a new thread.

Murray Edwards is the problem.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ducay

He's used to winning at everything. Hockey is no different, so that is his current objective. GM is just the leg-work guy for him, he ultimately makes all the calls at the end of the day. He's (quite literally) Jerry Jones but just didnt bother giving himself the official title.

Jerry built his own stadium and didn't scam tax payers and is actually in the country and city he works in.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Sec214

The fact you think Sutter chased off those listed is 100% garbage. The circle points directly to Murray Edwards as he is majority owner. He lowballed Johnny 7.5-8x8 (Tre wanted to go 9.5 and it was a flat no…he hung up) He didn’t want to go long term with Matthew when his camped wanted too (“I don’t pay 50 point kids 8Million”) and he undermined the GM and extended the HC because players already told them LAST summer they wanted out from here because of the “Intensity”.

He pressured BT into extending Huberdeau without playing a ####ing game. He was upset Johnny walked away from 84 Million dollars he wanted to prove he was a entitled prick. Murray Edwards walked away from a closed arena deal for 20 ####ing million of solar panels.

Wake the #### up Flames fans. This isn’t sutter, this isn’t the GM.

This is your ####ing meddling billionaire owner. Who only cares about money and money only. He could careless about if we stop showing up. He will sell the team and he has all the power. He doesn’t give a #### about a product only that it makes money.

Guy sends his #### wagon John Bean out to act all frantic, dodge any meaningful questions because he know we always go away easy. Bean is a money man who makes you pay 2 ####ing dollars for butter when the large bag costs 30 cents to produce and sell for 7 dollars…

Wake up Flames Fans.

Yup and ppl will just keep re-upping their season tickets and spending cash on the team. No need for ownership to do anything but take the money from the idiots

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Lol, I like your fan fiction even better.

All but 5 teams were over 79M AAV. Only 3 were under 69M.

Did the Flames get listed on ebay and get no bids?

Who's fault is it that they still have a ####ty building?

The Flames also received a share in two expansion teams paying large fees partake in the large is TV contacts the Canadian and could qualify for revenue snaring of they are actually at the poor house.

I'm sure all those things make up for not making enough on butter.

[Toonage]

Now I want popcorn.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Now I want popcorn.

Better go to the dome and help cover costs of butter or we might end up the next Arizona Coyotes.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Better go to the dome and help cover costs of butter or we might end up the next Arizona Coyotes.

Speaking of dome popcorn, when did they move away from Orville? 2002? I swear it was better then.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

There are plenty of good candidates; Treliving was good, not great and not bad. Flames fans shouldn't get upset when a mediocre GM leaves because he's the best of the worst. Good choices are out there, good qualified knowledgeable hockey people.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

There are plenty of good candidates; Treliving was good, not great and not bad. Flames fans shouldn't get upset when a mediocre GM leaves because he's the best of the worst. Good choices are out there, good qualified knowledgeable hockey people.

It won't matter when the puppet master and real gm is calling the shots from his Swiss castle.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

There are plenty of good candidates; Treliving was good, not great and not bad. Flames fans shouldn't get upset when a mediocre GM leaves because he's the best of the worst. Good choices are out there, good qualified knowledgeable hockey people.

Nashville got a good one in terms of a qualified knowledgeable hockey person!

[Toonage]

On topic, wonder what the relationship is like between Conroy and Sutter. A lot of us have been worried about a Sutter yes man as GM. But what if they made the puppet uber likeable? How devious would that be. But if they don't get along, maybe Conroy would be just the guy to convince Edwards to send Sutter packing

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Yup and ppl will just keep re-upping their season tickets and spending cash on the team. No need for ownership to do anything but take the money from the idiots

Not me. I still love flames hockey but the actual market price for flames tickets is 20-30% less than what Murray charges. Anyone who's tried to sell a ticket this past couple years knows this. I'll happily buy secondary market tickets for 50 cents on the dollar.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Scooter

Nashville got a good one in terms of a qualified knowledgeable hockey person!

Well Mr Francis, do tell.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Well Mr Francis, do tell.

I assume he means Barry Trotz....next GM.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

It was a fun piece of fan fiction that's for sure.

People are upset about the season, that's fine. People are upset about the non-rebuild, that's also fine, I wanted one too. But a lot of you are delusional when it comes to the concept of ownership of this team. This franchise barely makes money. There are a bunch of teams in the NHL and in wider sports that would kill to have an ownership group that spends to the cap every year. Maybe none of you have noticed, but there's not exactly a line of billionaires out the door wanting to own a team playing in the oldest ####tiest arena in the NHL, in one of the smallest markets in the NHL. Complaining about butter costing extra? Get real man, welcome to entertainment industry. You're paying two dollars for butter at the movie theatre too, wait until you find out what the margins are on food and drink at literally any restaurant. I guess we can make a deal, the Flames will sell you butter at cost but then the salary of the team is at the league floor and you'll be praying for a 90 point season where we had a sniff of the playoffs.

Dude look at Ottawa. Their ####ty owner died and the franchise is being courted by 9 billionaires to keep it in Ottawa, actively working with the city to make a deal for an arena. Murray Edwards selling the team would be a freaking god send for this city and flames fans.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Who had Scotty Nichol on their bingo card?

I really hope Connie becomes GM. If for whatever reason he doesn't I hope it's either Mathieu Darche or Eric Tulsky.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I assume he means Barry Trotz....next GM.

Is that what he was referring? Lol I swear, Eric has no idea how a forum works, watching him try to navigate even thread titles is hilarious.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If Edwards is as bad as the people with inside info say, why doesn’t he just sell his share? There has to be someone better than him happy to pay up.

Guy clearly hates Calgary, doesn’t care about hockey, doesn’t care about the team.

Loser.

I don’t know what he hates or not but isn’t he on the NHL board of governors and relatively influential in the NHL? I don’t if that’s for the love of hockey or the love of power but either way he is invested in this sport.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think people constantly make two potentially wrong leap when the start to critique the ownership groups "alleged" win now mandate, as a lack of foresight. BTW, I actually believe that the ownership group does have a win now, or no full rebuild mandate, but I don't KNOW that they do, that's why I say alleged, but I do think it's the most likely.

The wrong leap people make IMO is that they assume the owners think it's actually our best strategy to win. I think it's less to do with that, and more to do with what the owners are willing to spend, or more appropriately, what they aren't willing to LOSE financially during the rebuild. People falsely think the Flames make money for our ownership group, it doesn't, it likely loses them money. At the very least, it's a massive opportunity cost for them in that every dollar they "invest" in the Flames would generate a much much higher rate of return invested elsewhere. The Flames are not a good investment for our ownership group, they do it for other reasons.

Which leads to the second leap, which is that the owners should just throw more money at this team, even if that means more losses, because, well they are rich right? They certainly are, wealthy beyond my wildest dreams. But that doesn't actually mean they should / can afford to lose millions and millions of dollars (it would be a staggeringly high number) during a multi year rebuild.

While most of us on here, who spend time posting about the Flames, would certainly tolerate a rebuild and likely invest in the team the same amount (although certainly, even in this community much of our investment in the team doesn't actually translate to real value creation for the team), the fact in a market the size of Calgary, the fringe fans, the bandwagon fans are required to push the team financially to break even or make a little money each season. The team needs the extra playoff games, and they need the building to creep up to 95% to 100% full (at meaningful ticket prices too, not overly discounted) to do that. That doesn't happen in this city (or any small market Canadian city) when the games aren't meaningful. When the team is not playing for anything, the casual attendance wains, and so does the teams cost recovery or profits. I actually find the expectation that the ownership group should just eat that, or even that they can just eat that from many in here to be a little ridiculous / borderline entitled.

Our ownership group isn't perfect.........but I think if we were to get a new owners there is a more than likely chance we'd realize the grass if far from greener on the other side. Generally the team has been allowed to spend to the cap, we don't see them in front of the cameras all day, and seemingly we have to invent our own ownership is meddling stories. I think it could be a lot worse ownership wise, and we should be careful what we wish for. I'm happy that we have owners committed to keeping the team here, and that are willing to invest reasonably to bring players here, I don't think people should assume that would be a given.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Fair, and who knows, one would have to look at it and see (salary cap expenses, etc..). But you've cherry picked one year. If you take the same look at Ottawa's operating revenue back to the 05 season, it's a very similar profile to the Flames, with actually a worse average outcome, including 3 seasons with over $1M in losses and lower peaks than the Flames best years.

The Ottawa Senators are also not a strong investment for their ownership group.

We are getting nit picky on losing money vs. not losing money. Proof is in the stats. The Flames lose money sometimes, and earn very little money (in comparison to expense) most of the time, and they have their best earning seasons when there are playoffs involved. Same with other teams.

Grabbing one season here or there to try and make a point means nothing. I'm sure there are exception seasons all over the place for a variety of reasons. The general point, this is not a lucrative venture for the Flames ownership. Playoff games make it less of a burden for them, so the motivation to make playoffs as much as possible is understandable.

If you think getting an average of $8.7M a year (which btw is actually less than $8.7M when you include last years $41M and the two COVID years) is making money for this ownership group, you don't get it. You don't invest the hundreds of millions it costs to run this team each for $8.7M average return if you are interested in making money. Lot's of things they could to do instead to increase that return, so from an ownership perspective, the Flames cost them lost potential earnings.

It's also why, they don't just build the arena themselves when it's time for a Billion dollar investment to continue the teams operations. It's not feasible........

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

It was a fun piece of fan fiction that's for sure.

People are upset about the season, that's fine. People are upset about the non-rebuild, that's also fine, I wanted one too. But a lot of you are delusional when it comes to the concept of ownership of this team. This franchise barely makes money. There are a bunch of teams in the NHL and in wider sports that would kill to have an ownership group that spends to the cap every year. Maybe none of you have noticed, but there's not exactly a line of billionaires out the door wanting to own a team playing in the oldest ####tiest arena in the NHL, in one of the smallest markets in the NHL. Complaining about butter costing extra? Get real man, welcome to entertainment industry. You're paying two dollars for butter at the movie theatre too, wait until you find out what the margins are on food and drink at literally any restaurant. I guess we can make a deal, the Flames will sell you butter at cost but then the salary of the team is at the league floor and you'll be praying for a 90 point season where we had a sniff of the playoffs.

What is this please support the poor owner's nonsense.

If they are so hard done by - they can put the team for sale and watch 5 + groups come in and offer 700 million + for the team (and would be more if they hadn't pooched the arena deal). There is one team in the league that won't pay to the cap ever and that is Arizona who's playing in a junior team rink. Every other team that isn't spending is rebuilding.

Quit acting like the billionaires are doing us a favour by keeping the team in Calgary and spending money. There's a lineup of other billionaires out there who would gladly come in and do the same. Ottawa's got 5 groups or whatever chasing after them right now.