[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Because they almost always took the shot instead of making a pass. This seems to be one of the most mis-understood stats out there. They were high on off the rush 'chances', but they were low on off the rush scoring. Because the mandate was to shoot the puck, or make a safe play.

Well their rush shots to odd man rushes for ratio is pretty in-line with what they had last year which was shots per rush range, so based on the message, I don't think much changed year over year.

Plus, I don't think any here even knows what the mandate is because they're not in the strategy room. So who knows if there's even a "shoot the puck" or "make a safe play" mandate or not. Heck, Huberdeau consistently passed up on lots of quality shot opportunities all season long and when Sutter was asked about it, he said something to the affect of "go ask him."

The biggest change that I can gather based on the graphic is the number of rush scoring chances per game which basically matches the eye test. The personnel on this team is terrible at turning odd man rushes into quality scoring opportunities and that speaks to the lack of skill from this group.

But when you lose guys like Gaudreau and to a lesser extent Tkachuk in this area, you're going to see drop offs in scoring chances because those 2 just had that explosive ability to back up defenders, cut to the middle, criss-cross, toe drags, puck between the legs and etc. I mean, who on this team can do this with regularity?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

Not speculting at all. Not revealing sources at all either. But, I have had my sources verified by mods on here a number of times over the past 12 years.

I am privy to quite a bit within the Flames organization. Most of the time, I choose not to divulge it on here.

Sorry, I can see my post wasn't totally clear - I wasn't doubting your credibility or info, but rather parsing that there were two parts to your post:

1. the info (Flames spinning that they weren't jilted)
2. and the speculation based on that info, be it your own or your source's speculation; because unless your source was Brad himself, you don't know his true motivations/reasoning

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Looking back it's crazy how close they came. The difference between the Flames then and the Devils now is .. Mony's injuries and the Harmonic deal not working out?

While the Mullets in the north did everything wrong but just kept winning lotteries the Flames did almost everything right and lost anyway.

A pretty big difference is that NJD's top picks that panned out are Centres (Hughes and Hischier), with a lot of other nice complimentary players at other positions, whereas the Flames top players were wingers, while guys like Monahan* and Bennett are more in the complimentary category.

[Harry Lime]

Edwards runs all of his businesses the same way. He is the smartest man in the room, and it's tough to be surrounded by normies.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

Not speculting at all. Not revealing sources at all either. But, I have had my sources verified by mods on here a number of times over the past 12 years.

I am privy to quite a bit within the Flames organization. Most of the time, I choose not to divulge it on here.

Just wanted to say that I appreciate the inside info people like you and Sec214 are able to give us. It’s one of the things that makes this community great

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I really dislike Murray Edwards.

Edit: The one thing I would say is while $8.5M seems like a lot for Gaudreau if you looked at a three season view then Gaudreau was still worth $8.5M. He had 206 points in the previous 208 games and he was clearly the offensive driver for this team. If Gaudreau's ask was $8.5M then you have to think a deal could have come in between $8.0M and $8.5M and that would have been fair even without the hindsight of the next season. Anything above $9M and I would have hesitated - but I think $8-$8.5 would have been completely fair.

Gaudreau's parents on a podcast mentioned that if the Flames came anywhere to close to the number he was asking, that he would've signed, but instead the Flames lowballed him which is pretty on brand based on Brad's history of negotiating with his own guys.

For me, I was waiting for that extension all summer long back in 2021 and couldn't believe it didn't get done. After that presser where Johnny and his agent said he wanted to re-sign, I knew that summer was going to be their best shot at re-signing him because he had just gotten married to a Philly girl, the cap would be tight the year after and I knew his numbers were going to explode based on how 2021 ended.

There were a lot of potential hurdles on the horizon. Very disappointed that a deal was never made, who knows what would've happened had he re-signed, maybe Tkachuk stays too and the Flames go into the playoffs with the best line in hockey again, *sigh*.

[ComixZone]

Good on Johnny for having a career season and then telling this organization to F-off.

Good on Chucky for watching what happened with Johnny, and putting himself first.

Good on Treliving for not bending on his contract demands and walking away.

Murray Edwards must be some kind of egomaniac if he thinks the way he’s doing things is the right way. His organization is the laughingstock of the league. John Bean looks like a useless yes-man, so yeah…enjoy being the bubble team that you are. The fans are clearly catching on - and it was a season-long problem - it wasn’t just the final few games after they were knocked out. The dome was not a “hot” ticket all season long.

No other organization is this aimless. Completely rudderless.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by edslunch

That's where you lost me. I loved the Hamilton deal and you're right, it set them up with another core piece. I loved the 2nd Hamilton deal too...

But jumping into free agency? Not yet, unless you are somehow landing a star player. Middling players like Brouwer, Neal, and Coleman are overpaid the day they sign and don't move the needle. They should be the final pieces, not building blocks.

Likewise, another swing for the fences trade for Hamonic was too much. They needed to be patient. Draft a couple more 1st rounders and a handful of second rounders and build real organizational depth. Then, when you're good and ready, trade some of your prospect depth for players who are ready now and sign a key FA to finish the puzzle. That's the recipe - look at how the Kings built.

I get what you are saying - though a reminder that at the moment the kings have built nothing but hope. We've had plenty of that and 10 other markets all think they have it too.

I'd go for it more aggressively than you would. I think that's an ok debate. Maybe the issue was if you can't land a Tavares 'Leafs PJs' player you just sit out. I dunno. The clock ticks on how long you can keep a core together in a meh market with #### facilities (as we have seen).

The team had a 2-3 year window to go for it with young stars, or not. I don't fault going for it.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

I get what you are saying - though a reminder that at the moment the kings have built nothing but hope. We've had plenty of that and 10 other markets all think they have it too.

I'd go for it more aggressively than you would. I think that's an ok debate. Maybe the issue was if you can't land a Tavares 'Leafs PJs' player you just sit out. I dunno. The clock ticks on how long you can keep a core together in a meh market with #### facilities (as we have seen).

The team had a 2-3 year window to go for it with young stars, or not. I don't fault going for it.

I was referring to the cup-winning Kings. They accumulated a lot of young talent like Brayden Schenn and traded him and others for Carter and Richards prior to their cup win.

The window thing always bothers me. Teams like Boston, Tampa, and Pittsburgh (not this season) seem to have perpetual windows built around key players that spend their careers there. Maybe we can’t keep players that long or maybe we don’t choose to, I don’t know. Getting the stars to align for a short window seems impossible to do.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Thanks Sec214 for that information. No wonder Tre walked away. Ownership ruined our core and group, and our GM.

It was a fun piece of fan fiction that's for sure.

People are upset about the season, that's fine. People are upset about the non-rebuild, that's also fine, I wanted one too. But a lot of you are delusional when it comes to the concept of ownership of this team. This franchise barely makes money. There are a bunch of teams in the NHL and in wider sports that would kill to have an ownership group that spends to the cap every year. Maybe none of you have noticed, but there's not exactly a line of billionaires out the door wanting to own a team playing in the oldest ####tiest arena in the NHL, in one of the smallest markets in the NHL. Complaining about butter costing extra? Get real man, welcome to entertainment industry. You're paying two dollars for butter at the movie theatre too, wait until you find out what the margins are on food and drink at literally any restaurant. I guess we can make a deal, the Flames will sell you butter at cost but then the salary of the team is at the league floor and you'll be praying for a 90 point season where we had a sniff of the playoffs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Francis with a list of potential GMs:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ople-love-him/

Conroy at the top of his list.

Who had Scotty Nichol on their bingo card?

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Well I just hope that BT was not your contact and you are still able to continue to provide us with the inside information! Thank you sir!

He’s is not.

I got a players update but I couldn’t nail down Tre so I just waited for it come out. I did hear Wednesday he called it over but Maloney and crew said take the weekend to think about it.

[Vedder]

How much money can a team that spends to the cap in an old rink with mediocre attendance numbers actually be making? Maybe a lot more than I think based on the comments regarding Edwards being money focused more than anything else.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Who had Scotty Nichol on their bingo card?

Lol if they go with Bowman then they will be in the darkest timeline

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sec214

He’s is not.

I got a players update but I couldn’t nail down Tre so I just waited for it come out. I did hear Wednesday he called it over but Maloney and crew said take the weekend to think about it.

What did the players say?

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What did the players say?

It’s not a players update regarding this news. They knew I believe.

[PepsiFree]

If Edwards is as bad as the people with inside info say, why doesn’t he just sell his share? There has to be someone better than him happy to pay up.

Guy clearly hates Calgary, doesn’t care about hockey, doesn’t care about the team.

Loser.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If Edwards is as bad as the people with inside info say, why doesn’t he just sell his share? There has to be someone better than him happy to pay up.

Guy clearly hates Calgary, doesn’t care about hockey, doesn’t care about the team.

Loser.

Because he makes money and uses it to impact more then just his hockey business. CSEC does own all the sports teams… but CNRL is based here… you can do your own digging.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If Edwards is as bad as the people with inside info say, why doesn’t he just sell his share? There has to be someone better than him happy to pay up.

Guy clearly hates Calgary, doesn’t care about hockey, doesn’t care about the team.

Loser.

Probably loves the power and control it's his little toy.

Maybe uses the losses for more tax evasion strategies.

[Ducay]

He's used to winning at everything. Hockey is no different, so that is his current objective. GM is just the leg-work guy for him, he ultimately makes all the calls at the end of the day. He's (quite literally) Jerry Jones but just didnt bother giving himself the official title.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

It was a fun piece of fan fiction that's for sure.

People are upset about the season, that's fine. People are upset about the non-rebuild, that's also fine, I wanted one too. But a lot of you are delusional when it comes to the concept of ownership of this team. This franchise barely makes money. There are a bunch of teams in the NHL and in wider sports that would kill to have an ownership group that spends to the cap every year. Maybe none of you have noticed, but there's not exactly a line of billionaires out the door wanting to own a team playing in the oldest ####tiest arena in the NHL, in one of the smallest markets in the NHL. Complaining about butter costing extra? Get real man, welcome to entertainment industry. You're paying two dollars for butter at the movie theatre too, wait until you find out what the margins are on food and drink at literally any restaurant. I guess we can make a deal, the Flames will sell you butter at cost but then the salary of the team is at the league floor and you'll be praying for a 90 point season where we had a sniff of the playoffs.

Lol, I like your fan fiction even better.

All but 5 teams were over 79M AAV. Only 3 were under 69M.

Did the Flames get listed on ebay and get no bids?

Who's fault is it that they still have a ####ty building?