[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I do think Canadian hockey fans are smarter than that.

Simply reading this thread provides plenty of evidence to the contrary.

[FlamesAddiction]

It is interesting that when Francis asked if they would agree that sometimes rebuilds are necessary and Bean said something like; "You have to look at the assets in front of you and it has to be the right time, and we would have done that last year quite frankly, as there was a rebuilding trade offer for Tkachuk on the table...".

That kind of implies that others in the organization management were actually for it and Treliving chose not to. So maybe it had less to do with ownership than people think.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Tuco

Bean is low grade. Not surprised to see the hate.

Yeah, why do we have Edmonton-grade idiots representing our team?

I don't like this practical joke. Make it stop.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Simply reading this thread provides plenty of evidence to the contrary.

I know you're making a joke here, but do you really think Flames fans don't have the patience or enough understanding to endure a rebuild?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Or did Treliving want to do that deal and the owners and maybe even Bean but in and told him to keep competing.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It is interesting that when Francis asked if they would agree that sometimes rebuilds are necessary and Bean said something like; "You have to look at the assets in front of you and it has to be the right time, and we would have done that last year quite frankly, as there was a rebuilding trade offer for Tkachuk on the table...".

That kind of implies that others in the organization management were actually for it and Treliving chose not to. So maybe it had less to do with ownership than people think.

I don't know if that is saying that at all. Treliving could have explored all opportunities and presented ownership with multiple trade options, some going the rebuild route and others going for the win now route.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It is interesting that when Francis asked if they would agree that sometimes rebuilds are necessary and Bean said something like; "You have to look at the assets in front of you and it has to be the right time, and we would have done that last year quite frankly, as there was a rebuilding trade offer for Tkachuk on the table...".

That kind of implies that others in the organization management were actually for it and Treliving chose not to. So maybe it had less to do with ownership than people think.

It's possible. Business guys can be snake oil salesman and push for results too. But I think several here have interacted with ownership and not sure they can keep their hands off.

[Bonded]

The futures trade was probably Necas and a 1st.

[Erick Estrada]

Well now that Tre’s gone can they at least fire everyone involved with the goaltending department? That has been long overdue.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I know you're making a joke here, but do you really think Flames fans don't have the patience or enough understanding to endure a rebuild?

That isn't what I said - or at least intended.

What I meant was that the general public, and particularly people buying tickets, are generally not thrilled about a rebuild. Really, only diehard fans (like anyone who would log into CP) get excited about rebuilds.

It wasn't a comment about Flame fans, or Calgary fans, or even Canadian fans. It was a comment about average, or more casual, fan.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well now that Tre’s gone can they at least fire everyone involved with the goaltending department? That has been long overdue.

Lol if the goaltending staff survive after this season then nothing will get them canned

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

"GioforPGM keeps a level head in game threads"

Fixed that for you!

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That isn't what I said - or at least intended.

What I meant was that the general public, and particularly people buying tickets, are generally not thrilled about a rebuild. Really, only diehard fans (like anyone who would log into CP) get excited about rebuilds.

It wasn't a comment about Flame fans, or Calgary fans, or even Canadian fans. It was a comment about average, or more casual, fan.

I do think Canadian fans specifically can get on board with a long-term plan even if it means pain.

They discussed in the press conference the concern of failing to sellout games down the stretch. Whether that has to do with the economy, the direction of the team, or the entertainment level of individual games themselves, whatever direction the Flames were going in... that plan would concern me as a manager. The Flames sold out every game from the 2013-2016 'rebuild era' if we can call it that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't know if that is saying that at all. Treliving could have explored all opportunities and presented ownership with multiple trade options, some going the rebuild route and others going for the win now route.

That's the way I interpreted it.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It is interesting that when Francis asked if they would agree that sometimes rebuilds are necessary and Bean said something like; "You have to look at the assets in front of you and it has to be the right time, and we would have done that last year quite frankly, as there was a rebuilding trade offer for Tkachuk on the table...".

That kind of implies that others in the organization management were actually for it and Treliving chose not to. So maybe it had less to do with ownership than people think.

Just as likely (more, probably) that there was a rebuilding offer and ownership didn't think it was the right time, whether Tre thought it was or not.

[bluejays]

What pissed me off royally about the presser is Maloney is talking about evaluating everyone, players, coaches, scouting etc., then the dbag beside him says we have a vezina goaltender and says they don't talk about rebuild. What the f is he talking about? Markstrom hasn't been Vezina calibre in ages. Is he absolved from evaluation because of that trophy? Wish this guy stopped talking. What a poor run organization when a guy like him is answering the questions without a shred of humility.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't know if that is saying that at all. Treliving could have explored all opportunities and presented ownership with multiple trade options, some going the rebuild route and others going for the win now route.

Maybe, but it still doesn't mean that Treliving was forced to go all in to win now because of ownership. I don't think anyone here knows for sure, but there is a lot of runaway speculation that ownership dictates only one path, and I am starting to think that may not be 100% accurate.

Bean said (paraphrasing); "there was an opportunity to rebuild and we would have", not "could have", which still sounds to me like there was some will to rebuild above Treliving's level (assuming Bean speaks for Edwards), rather than it just being a theoretical possibility that was not really a consideration.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by bluejays

What pissed me off royally about the presser is Maloney is talking about evaluating everyone, players, coaches, scouting etc., then the dbag beside him says we have a vezina goaltender and says they don't talk about rebuild. What the f is he talking about? Markstrom hasn't been Vezina calibre in ages. Is he absolved from evaluation because of that trophy? Wish this guy stopped talking. What a poor run organization when a guy like him is answering the questions without a shred of humility.

Reminds me of Sutter saying how many 20 goal scorers we had including Kotalik

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Maybe, but it still doesn't mean that Treliving was forced to go all in to win now because of ownership. I don't think anyone here knows for sure, but there is a lot of runaway speculation that ownership dictates only one path, and I am starting to think that may not be 100% accurate.

Bean said; "there was an opportunity and we would have (rebuilt)", not "could have", which still sounds to me like there was some will to rebuild above Treliving's level (assuming Bean speaks for Edwards), rather than it just being a theoretical possibility that was not really a consideration.

I think when Bean says 'we' he is just referring to the organization in general, not a tier of management or ownership.

If I were to completely guess, I'd say that Bean was going to say something along the lines of "we would have rebuilt if we did not receive the offer we did from Florida" but caught himself before it slipped.

[Strange Brew]

Just listened to the presser, all but the last four minutes.

Maloney saying he is doing a deep dive, talking and listening to everyone. That's typical but also was a bit of a stall, considering he admitted that this possibility was brewing for quite some time and he sat in on all the year end exit interviews. Overall he impressed with me being genuine, but would have liked to heave heard some more confidence or direction from him.

Really felt the media missed out on an obvious question. This club didn't have a POHO for 7+ years, why do you need one now? Is it just a temporary role to hire a GM? Or are they committed to the role long term?

Did someone ask if Darryl Sutter was a candidate for GM?

Also Bean stating it was a mutual decision is probably factually correct. I suspect Treliving gave some conditions under which he would stay and Flames weren't prepared to meet them. So he chose to leave.

Maloney's early comment about "Actually John had a really good idea yesterday. I should make a template of the qualities I'm seeking in a new GM". Or something to that effect. OK, that's not too brilliant of an idea, surely any hiring manager has thought that way. Weird that he felt obligated to throw credit Bean's way for such a basic concept, so seems obvious where the power resides. Which is probably true for most sports franchises really.