[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Just as a counter-point to the "no rebuild" narrative since people jumped on Bean for saying he wasn't allowed to say the word, it's worth remembering that he also said they considered it last year and there would be a time to consider again, but the first priority was evaluating what went wrong.

Any chance you have the time in the press conference for that comment?

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Kevin Lowe has 6 cups and he ran the Oilers into the ground.

Lowe was on a team with multiple allstars, he was slightly more than a bit player on those teams, while Sutter was an important part of his cup wins. I see a big difference.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by activeStick

If a CP member - any CP member, myself included, or let's go with some sort of board with multiple member to be in on the decisions - were given the responsibilities of a GM, our results would be so poor that we'd end up being a case study

This certainly isn't true. There is at least one board member who has won a Stanley Cup, and certainly has a better hockey resume than Treliving did when he was hired. And there are quite a few very successful people who are CP members. Being an NHL GM isn't like being a neurosurgeon or a federal court judge that you need to train for decades to do the job well.

Look at Treliving's path to being a GM. He spent a decade in the ECHL trying to live his dream of playing in the NHL. The closest he got was 15 games in the AHL. Then he became the Commissioner of a couple semi-pro hockey leagues that were both bankrupt within a few years. Then he spent time in the top tier Arizona Coyotes organization and then he became GM in Calgary. Other than having a billionaire for a father, a lot of people here would have a resume as good or better than that at the time he became a GM.

Sure, the entire league is an old boys club, so having NHL contacts like a former player would is great, but personally I'd also consider a very successful business person or entrepreneur. You can hire a quant to run your analytics department and some former players to be your AGMs if you need NHL old boy network contacts.

I mean, Joe Sakic is considered a top NHL executive and he ended his playing career by sticking his hand into a powered up snowblower. This job isn't exactly sending people to Mars level difficult.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Just as a counter-point to the "no rebuild" narrative since people jumped on Bean for saying he wasn't allowed to say the word, it's worth remembering that he also said they considered it last year and there would be a time to consider again, but the first priority was evaluating what went wrong.

Not rebuilding.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If that's how Treliving felt about working with Sutter, I can't imagine how the guys who have to put up with him on a daily basis in the dressing room feel.

I just don't understand how you can bring back a head coach that is driving players and GM's out of town. Yeah the guy was and in some ways is still a really good head coach but for a guy that preaches that players need to buy into his system, he's quite the hypocrite as it's clear he has no concept of teamwork whatsoever. "My way or the highway" is simply not constructive in any workplace.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Saw that coming.

Think Sutter will be stay.

I’d bet Lindholm is next.

Wild guess is Markstrom is somehow shipped out as well.

Feel like a team like Ottawa would take a gamble on 3 years of markstrom, for the potential upside of him doing better with a change of scenery

Problem is it appears there are still people in the org who think he's a vezina caliber guy.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Not rebuilding.

The Brad Treliving special, signing players past their prime to massive long term deals.

[browna]

As far as Bean, he was hired by Ken King for the buisness/new building side at least 7 years ago, and inherited the role KK (RIP), but is nowhere near the spokesperson (nor does her purport to be) King was.

But, it's what the Flames have in the structure, and with Edwards out of country there does seem to be a bit of a void between the team and the owners. Maybe an executive hire (like Burke was) at some level above Maloney will come to fill that void and as a general spokesperson for the team, and then that person will have a strong say as to who the GM is.

[PaperBagger'14]

Just watched the presser, really impressed with Maloney and how forthright he was. Bean, while being a typical senior management schmuck at any large corp, still carries value too. He's absolutely not the guy you want to form your team / company image after, but I get the impression he has a good handle on the business and financial side (and completely whiffs on the human element). Corporate fluff like "we have a really good team this year" and "we made it out of covid better than we expected" would only make sense if you completely ignore the teams results. He must have a different metric than I.

Really sucked to hear that they had a "rebuild" offer for Tkachuk and that they passed up on it. Apparently rebuild is a 4 letter word and that's the biggest kick in the pants today.

[Wiggum_PI]

Finally, it was time to move on from Treliving.

[Yeah_Baby]

learning that Edwards doesn't speak even at the CNRL AGM/Investor stuff, I now picture him in his Swiss castle sitting a giant computer like Dr. Claw.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Brad Treliving special, signing players past their prime to massive long term deals.

I was a fool. I thought locking up huby & Kadri at the time would pay dividends, and they'd be great in the first 3-4 seasons, making the rest worth it.

Team wasn't even close, and it ate up all the cap they had to play with.

Flames need to see the corner they've painted themselves into and take the loss.

The way forward is much more difficult trying to keep this group competitive with very little dough, than just tearing down or at least retooling.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If they make moves they will have returned assets and cap space


They won't just have one center

They have four centres that I can count, just not great ones - Kadri, Dube, Ruzy, Zary.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Brad Treliving special, signing players past their prime to massive long term deals.

It's pretty clear where that mandate is coming from. Laying it all on Treliving is incredibly shortsighted. He clearly had a different vision than ownership - hence why he stepped away.

[FlamesAddiction]

Bean seems pretty aggressive. He reminds me of a former boss I had and hated working for. He really talks down to people.

I thought it was ridiculous when someone asked about the contract status of the AGMs, and he said; "We have over 300 employees, I am not going to go through everyone's status". The reporter wanted to know about Conroy, not a random usher or marketing rep.

I agree with others that Maloney seems like a good guy. I appreciate that he says he is not the best person for GM and that they need someone younger and more progressive.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I was a fool. I thought locking up huby & Kadri at the time would pay dividends, and they'd be great in the first 3-4 seasons, making the rest worth it.

Team wasn't even close, and it ate up all the cap they had to play with.

Flames need to see the corner they've painted themselves into and take the loss.

The way forward is much more difficult trying to keep this group competitive with very little dough, than just tearing down or at least retooling.

Moving forward a change of GM is probably the right move. 9 years is a long time to run a team. I think BT did a fine job, but he no longer has the solutions. It will be interesting what kind of deals he makes for players he likes to come to his new team.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Chingas

I don't understand the Conroy should be pissed off thing. If Conroy deserves the job then he will get it. I bet that it's even, a tie goes to him sort of deal.

We don't know whether he deserves the reins or not, but I would not be happy if they did not explore all of the options available.

Agreed. Conroy shouldn’t be pissed - it was clear that Maloney is leading the hiring process and not going to be considered for the role. If it is truly an open hire, it makes sense not to name Conny as Interim GM because it would appear to be a demotion if he didn’t get the role but stayed on in a different capacity. Better off keeping all options open.

[SuperMatt18]

It really does seem to scream to me that Edwards is okay with just letting people walk.

I do think wonder how much his mindset and guidance played in letting Gaudreau and Tkachuk just get to contract expiry too.

Like if Treliving declines a contract extension at the training camp, and then again supposedly in the season...why aren't you putting together a plan then?

Treliving walking has been a rumor all season - but really doesn't feel like the org had a plan for it.

Although maybe Maloney + Conroy was/is the plan. Because if the plan is Conroy just replaces Tre then you don't really benefit at all by firing Treliving earlier. But if you are going to go outside the org for the replacement then it feels like they probably could have been more proactive and maybe even had the new GM in by the trade deadline.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I just don't understand how you can bring back a head coach that is driving players and GM's out of town. Yeah the guy was and in some ways is still a really good head coach but for a guy that preaches that players need to buy into his system, he's quite the hypocrite as it's clear he has no concept of teamwork whatsoever. "My way or the highway" is simply not constructive in any workplace.

How could you sit and watch him take a blowtorch to the organization and bring him back.

He left us in shambles the first time around and looks like he is back to his old tricks.

Makes no sense 8 million left or not.

It will take time to rebuild the image of the franchise if they keep him around and this keeps happening.

[browna]

And Sutter, pushes buttons but gets results. Always has. Not everyone loves him but they get success and elevate their worth.

If the results don't come, it's an issue.

But is Sutter to blame? Markstrom plays average and doesn't play most of the season like he did to end last season vs the Oilers, and the Flames are in the playoffs tonight.

In addition to that, execution and scoring some goals instead of posts would've changed numerous games this year. Being only up 2-1 halfway through a game they dominated becuase they hit 3 posts and missed a breakaway...and then let in a softy and it's 2-2 and lost in a shootout 4-3 has to wear on the team...but effort and game plan was not the issue, it was execution.

The SC winning Kings backed into the playoffs under Sutter and this team could've done decently well IMO id they got their confidence and mjo together these last couple weeks.

The fact they didn't, now the ends don't justify the the means for some players who were weary at the beginning of the year. If Backlund wanted out and Treliving told him to stay, well, that's not Sutter driving him out (as an example).