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Old 04-17-2023, 03:03 PM   #741
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Omg. Decision making matrix, Stephen Covey books to help pick a gm. Wow Bean.
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They're too up against the cap to add to the current group or afford extensions for Backlund and Lindholm, who evidently would need convincing to stay.

The next GM needs to be in sell mode right off the hop.

Load up for 3-5 years from now when DW is a top goalie in the league. Build from the goalie out and let Huby and Kadri mentor the young talent.

When McDavid leaves AB and Edmonton is in shambles, the Flames can be already on the way up to being a great team with a good foundation of talent.
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"we're gonna do a deep dive on the analytics"

Oh my god John Bean is an embarrassment.

Two star players abandoned the team.

The GM abandoned the team.

Two more players want out (at minimum).

"we've got a vezina nominated goalie"

DUDE WAS THE WORST GOALIE IN THE LEAGUE.

Looking back for future success. Jesus.
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Old 04-17-2023, 03:06 PM   #745
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They're too up against the cap to add to the current group or afford extensions for Backlund and Lindholm, who evidently would need convincing to stay.

The next GM needs to be in sell mode right off the hop.

Load up for 3-5 years from now when DW is a top goalie in the league. Build from the goalie out and let Huby and Kadri mentor the young talent.
oh my god we're having a [swedish] fire sale

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John Bean should never again speak to the media/fans. We now know why we've really never heard from him before.
Yeah, he sound like have leaned lot of thing about leadership and management but it's looked like he is not good at using it when he talking.
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They're too up against the cap to add to the current group or afford extensions for Backlund and Lindholm, who evidently would need convincing to stay.

The next GM needs to be in sell mode right off the hop.

Load up for 3-5 years from now when DW is a top goalie in the league. Build from the goalie out and let Huby and Kadri mentor the young talent.
I actually feel they are in a decent position to lay some great groundwork, given all those UFAs that are up in 2024 ... you could realistically get some great value for some of them this summer. Inject some youth, promote Mitch Love, see where that takes you. Not going to happen, but it would excite me a lot more than Sutter sticking around, tbh.
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"we're gonna do a deep dive on the analytics"

Oh my god John Bean is an embarrassment.

Two star players abandoned the team.

The GM abandoned the team.

Two more players want out (at minimum).

"we've got a vezina nominated goalie"

DUDE WAS THE WORST GOALIE IN THE LEAGUE.

Looking back for future success. Jesus.
It was a hard listen. Kinda felt bad for him. Not a hockey guy.
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Old 04-17-2023, 03:07 PM   #749
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Until he's fired he's still the head coach of the Flames and good luck on Maloney trying to tell Edwards that they should let Darryl go with $8 million left on his contract. I kind of wonder if Edwards will simply instruct the GM to get rid of all the players that don't like Sutter.
Leaving the team with 1 goalie, 3 defensemen, and 3 forwards :>
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"we're gonna do a deep dive on the analytics"

Oh my god John Bean is an embarrassment.

Two star players abandoned the team.

The GM abandoned the team.

Two more players want out (at minimum).

"we've got a vezina nominated goalie"

DUDE WAS THE WORST GOALIE IN THE LEAGUE.

Looking back for future success. Jesus.
Jesus. Almost as embarrassing as his remarks around the arena negotiations.

JM had 1 strong season and two subpar seasons as a Flame.

The body of work speaks for itself. His ceiling might be higher than any one on the team but his floor has proven to be pretty low when he's not feeling it, which is frequently these days.
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Old 04-17-2023, 03:08 PM   #751
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Can't wait to see Kris Chucko Jr taken 16th overall this year!!

Lucic and Ritchie? 3 year, $8M contracts for you both as 1st liners!

Go GM Sutter go!!!
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Old 04-17-2023, 03:09 PM   #752
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I actually feel they are in a decent position to lay some great groundwork, given all those UFAs that are up in 2024 ... you could realistically get some great value for some of them this summer. Inject some youth, promote Mitch Love, see where that takes you. Not going to happen, but it would excite me a lot more than Sutter sticking around, tbh.
They absolutely need to take advantage of the situation and do the right thing.
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Kevin Lowe has 6 cups and he ran the Oilers into the ground.
He knows a thing about winning lotteries too. Such a legend.
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Saw that coming.

Think Sutter will be stay.

I’d bet Lindholm is next.

Wild guess is Markstrom is somehow shipped out as well.
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Old 04-17-2023, 03:11 PM   #755
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They absolutely need to take advantage of the situation and do the right thing.
There will be many teams taking advantage of this situation - sadly, the Flames will not be one of them.

Other teams are drooling to drop their overpaid grinders on the Flames for the talent that is left in Calgary.

Yay GM Sutter!
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Old 04-17-2023, 03:12 PM   #756
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Just as a counter-point to the "no rebuild" narrative since people jumped on Bean for saying he wasn't allowed to say the word, it's worth remembering that he also said they considered it last year and there would be a time to consider again, but the first priority was evaluating what went wrong.
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Saw that coming.

Think Sutter will be stay.

I’d bet Lindholm is next.

Wild guess is Markstrom is somehow shipped out as well.
How many 1st round picks are we shipping out the door along with Markstrom?
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Old 04-17-2023, 03:12 PM   #758
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I might be in the minority here, but I'd love to see the current core give it another go, with a major influx of youth. With Coronato, Duehr, Pelletier, Ruzicka, and possibly Zary and Phillips in the lineup, it'd be a totally different experience.

I, however, don't see how that happens with Sutter coaching. Maybe just have the GM straight up tell Sutter that's what he's working with, and not sign any vets. Lewis, Lucic, and Ritchie are all gone, which is a huge start to forcing Sutter's hand on playing the youth.
Well you can probably rest easy.. "giving it another go" is par for the course with Edwards, and is much easier than making a plan for long-term success and executing it.
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Saw that coming.

Think Sutter will be stay.

I’d bet Lindholm is next.

Wild guess is Markstrom is somehow shipped out as well.
bUt He'S A vEzINA NomINATeD gOAliE!!@@##
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Old 04-17-2023, 03:13 PM   #760
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I still think Treliving has more than eyes on other roles that are or are likely to become available.

Not saying the situation was warm and fuzzy here, but I'm guessing it was a hard choice. But likely on advice from people like Burke, maybe his tenure here was enough as far as accomplishing things as well.

So, ideally he'd stay but with a heavy heart he moves on, and wish him the best. There are lots of organizations where the grass appears greener, but isnt.

I think he knows that but for all the issues fans have, many other organizations have with something (similar or different) else that's complicated and affects the roster or dynamics.

From Frideman's peice, clearly a disconnect within the room. Given the exit interviews, and the general playbon the ice, sounds like the Swedes somewhat fell out of favour, with the coach, or new players, or both.

If Conroy is GM, should be an interesting dynamic.
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