Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They use the “state-affiliated” label for that, not “government funded.”

Of course, we already know that labels and verification have both repeatedly been decided based on the subjective whims of Twitter’s owner, so it’s not like Twitter’s attachment of any of these things actually means anything.

I was going to comment on how the "target audience" of people looking at the "government funded" tag are not really the same people to care to understand the nuance of the difference between the two.

And then I read the next page where PP does exactly that.

[PeteMoss]

The Conservatives party of Canada comes across as being way too online. I'm sure some people care about it who aren't online, but even for them its got to be about the 50th ranked issue they care about.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The Conservatives party of Canada comes across as being way too online. I'm sure some people care about it who aren't online, but even for them its got to be about the 50th ranked issue they care about.

Look, I'm all for universal suffrage, but if the designation of a media organization on twitter as being government funded (or anything else for that matter) makes the top 50 issues affecting your voting choice I'm okay if we just don't let you vote anymore.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The Conservatives party of Canada comes across as being way too online. I'm sure some people care about it who aren't online, but even for them its got to be about the 50th ranked issue they care about.

Personally, I like the idea that the party that has included "defund the CBC" in their platform for years is only just now learning that the CBC is officially government-funded, a fact they learned from Twitter.

Honestly, how could Canadians not have faith in the CPC to right the ship? They're so intelligent and aware of publicly available information, and would definitely never engage in propaganda to make people believe something that isn't true... would they?

[Yoho]

Guess cbc didn’t like the tag line.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1648033861152960531

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

nails it

https://twitter.com/user/status/1647764546973745152

Where do I click to defund Pierre Poilievre? The fact that we pay this dipsh-t's salary is infuriating.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Guess cbc didn’t like the tag line.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1648033861152960531

This entire thing is bizarre.

a) everyone has known since its' inception that it is government funded.
b) why are conservatives acting like stating this is a win? Everyone has known this. Since its' inception. Like, literally, everybody. Why or how is this a gotcha?
c) Why is the CBC itself saying it's "independent"? No you're not, you're funded by the government. You can say you're "impartial" (like, they can make that unprovable claim, I guess, although it is kind of dumb to outright state this) but it doesn't make it true and anyone with a grade 3 education level understands there are various levels of bias to its' journalism. Again, not a shocking revelation, and always has been this way.
d) Why is this being insinuated as a bad thing?

I must be confused, but this is all very, very strange.

[photon]

Government funded = bad
Funded by rich people with an agenda = good?
Funded by attracting more eyeballs who agree with the moral panic you're attracting eyeballs with = better!

[Ozy_Flame]

Pausing activities on Twitter just gives more ammo to the conspiracy theorists and the populists. Best just to ignore, send a Tweet verifying their editorial integrity and that other organizations are being targeted and labeled on a platform that toots the free speech horn but does not do enough to reduce the misinformation and noise, and move on.

Bad move IMO.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

This entire thing is bizarre.

a) everyone has known since its' inception that it is government funded.
b) why are conservatives acting like stating this is a win? Everyone has known this. Since its' inception. Like, literally, everybody. Why or how is this a gotcha?
c) Why is the CBC itself saying it's "independent"? No you're not, you're funded by the government. You can say you're "impartial" (like, they can make that unprovable claim, I guess, although it is kind of dumb to outright state this) but it doesn't make it true and anyone with a grade 3 education level understands there are various levels of bias to its' journalism. Again, not a shocking revelation, and always has been this way.
d) Why is this being insinuated as a bad thing?

I must be confused, but this is all very, very strange.

CBC's indepenence is written into the broadcast act:

https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/...4.html#h-34524

Independence

(5) The Corporation shall, in the pursuit of its objects and in the exercise of its powers, enjoy freedom of expression and journalistic, creative and programming independence.

If they are bias - its because most of urban Canada leans left. Its not because Trudeau or whoever is cracking the whip telling them what to report.

[btimbit]

Actual news isn't news because of how it's funded, but a right wing blogger can pretend to be news, that's okay

It's only news if they support us!

#### this whole stupid narrative

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

This entire thing is bizarre.

a) everyone has known since its' inception that it is government funded.
b) why are conservatives acting like stating this is a win? Everyone has known this. Since its' inception. Like, literally, everybody. Why or how is this a gotcha?
c) Why is the CBC itself saying it's "independent"? No you're not, you're funded by the government. You can say you're "impartial" (like, they can make that unprovable claim, I guess, although it is kind of dumb to outright state this) but it doesn't make it true and anyone with a grade 3 education level understands there are various levels of bias to its' journalism. Again, not a shocking revelation, and always has been this way.
d) Why is this being insinuated as a bad thing?

I must be confused, but this is all very, very strange.

You're a smart guy - so I'm sure you understand this. Free speech guy is going around labeling media orgs as government funded. The Conservatives are firing out tweets about defunding while asking for this label on it. Its a useless culture war thing. But its meant to say - these guys are biased - don't trust them.

Its impact is nothing. But twitter probably brings like 1% of CBC's online traffic, so they are taking a stand.

[TheIronMaiden]

Foreign interference comes in many forms. Sometimes it is Chinese billionaires working in shadows, other times it is American billionaires working in broad daylight.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

CBC's indepenence is written into the broadcast act:

https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/...4.html#h-34524

This has nothing to do with this.

It has everything to do with being government funded. Which is a fact not a controversy. Hence Mr. Coffee's questions.

CBC should just suck it up.

When the CPC wins the label will stay. So, the left is politicizing this as much as the right. Surprising.

Yet given the lefts tone their totally above the fray.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

This has nothing to do with this.

It has everything to do with being government funded. Which is a fact not a controversy. Hence Mr. Coffee's questions.

CBC should just suck it up.

When the CPC wins the label will stay. So, the left is politicizing this as much as the right. Surprising.

Yet given the lefts tone their totally above the fray.

His post said - "Why is the CBC itself saying it's "independent"? No you're not,"


And I don't think anyone particular cares about it. If Twitter was a significant driver of traffic to CBC, they would tweet through it. But its not - so they are pulling back their tweets for a time.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

This has nothing to do with this.

It has everything to do with being government funded. Which is a fact not a controversy. Hence Mr. Coffee's questions.

CBC should just suck it up.

When the CPC wins the label will stay. So, the left is politicizing this as much as the right. Surprising.

Yet given the lefts tone their totally above the fray.

CBC can decide to do whatever they want. If they want to leave Twitter, then can. They don't need to suck anything up. If they want to write articles about how Musk and Twitter are eroding trust in actual real news sources done by professionals, they are free to do that, too.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

His post said - "Why is the CBC itself saying it's "independent"? No you're not,"


And I don't think anyone particular cares about it. If Twitter was a significant driver of traffic to CBC, they would tweet through it. But its not - so they are pulling back their tweets for a time.

Sure and I'm "independent" and express my views independently from my employer.

Do you believe me?

They are obviously biased and everyone has known this since its inception. No organization is going to outright state they're biased, and they are not independent despite them saying so. Obviously. Follow the money.

[Matata]

CBC is less "gov't funded" and much more "liberal funded". Conservatives with Harper were toying with the idea of dissolving the CBC, Trudeau fires cannons filled with hundreds of millions of dollars at the CBC if someone whispers 'election' within earshot.

I don't think anyone at the CBC has any doubt about where their bread is buttered and who they want in office. The incestuous relationship between Liberals and CBC has been a huge driver in enacting their policies: Liberals make proposition --> CBC provides affirmation --> Liberals make policy based on CBCs affirmation.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Matata

CBC is less "gov't funded" and much more "liberal funded". Conservatives with Harper were toying with the idea of dissolving the CBC, Trudeau fires cannons filled with hundreds of millions of dollars at the CBC if someone whispers 'election' within earshot.

I don't think anyone at the CBC has any doubt about where their bread is buttered and who they want in office. The incestuous relationship between Liberals and CBC has been a huge driver in enacting their policies: Liberals make proposition --> CBC provides affirmation --> Liberals make policy based on CBCs affirmation.

I'm not going to pretend that i wrote this, but i don't think one can accuse the liberals as having significant funding differences over the years to justify the hyperbole:

https://frpc.net/wp-content/uploads/...4-February.pdf

Nor does it completely reveal Harper's disdain for the broadcaster in comparison to other Liberal governments at the time (funding wise)

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Matata

CBC is less "gov't funded" and much more "liberal funded". Conservatives with Harper were toying with the idea of dissolving the CBC, Trudeau fires cannons filled with hundreds of millions of dollars at the CBC if someone whispers 'election' within earshot.

I don't think anyone at the CBC has any doubt about where their bread is buttered and who they want in office. The incestuous relationship between Liberals and CBC has been a huge driver in enacting their policies: Liberals make proposition --> CBC provides affirmation --> Liberals make policy based on CBCs affirmation.

Oh good, I know I'm not alone when I say I was waiting on the edge of my seat to hear what our resident f--king moonbat thought on the subject.