[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

Treliving is not responsible for Gaudreau leaving, but he didn't see the writing on the wall. Fans and media saw it. It wasn't a sure thing he was leaving, but when he didn't sign the summer before, you need to lend it more credence and you need to move the asset. This franchise can't afford Gaudreau leaving for nothing. That part is 100% on him.

Absolutely many of us saw Gaudreau and Tkachuk coming years before it happened as it was as obvious then as it is today that Draisaitl and McDavid will both likely bolt Edmonton in three years. However it's very likely he was handcuffed by the owner who you apparently can't mention the word "rebuild" around which makes it really difficult to get futures on a return for your best forwards. He wasn't perfect and maybe change is a good thing but it's hard to feel great today about where the organization is. Maybe there's some announcements in the coming weeks/months that will take the sting away but it's not cool that players and even GM's are jumping off the Flames bus.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol based on what?

Tre gave Tkachuk a 3 year deal and let Gaudreau go to UFA

Your speculation is better than his???

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’re right, after ten years as an AGM it’s probably fair to ask if Conroy has acquired literally any skills that would make a good GM or even AGM. Great.

I think people tend to associate Conroy with his happy gabby radio personality. Which really is kind of dated.

We do know he interviewed but wasn’t chosen for a couple GM jobs. FWIW.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nah, I agree. IMO adequate goaltending and the same performance by skaters gets them into the POs easily. Good goaltending plus a better showing by Huberdeau/Mangiapane/Kadri and maybe Lindholm makes them dangerous. Good/great goaltending (Wolf) plus good performances by the skaters, plus the injection of youth = who knows what’s possible? They are still missing a generational type player, but those come with their own issues cap-wise.

This is truth.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Gemnoble

####. Thanks for everything Tre. Best GM this team has ever had.

Well, other than that guy who built a Cup winning team.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

People don't like change, but sometimes it's for the best.

Maybe the next guy is more future focused and comes up with a clear plan to capitalize on our next franchise player (Wolf), and can get us to the next level (rather that alternating in/out seasons).

Treliving did some great things, especially early on in his rebuild. He kind of painted himself into a corner later on, but in part to no fault of his own (players leaving). I think he did pretty well as far as the hand he was dealt.

His glaring weakness was free agency. Neal and now Kadri hurt the club. Again, at the time those players were sought after, so what are you going to do? Hindsight is 20/20. But desperation moves have handcuffed the team for a while unless they tear down the old core and sell. A new GM won't be sentimental about those players and is more likely to pull the trigger on those moves, so this could be good for us who want a change of philosophy.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dion

Your speculation is better than his???

That the GM who gave the young player a 3 year contact that walked him to UFA is more responsible for him leaving than the coach?

Yes in this case, how could it not be?

[SuperMatt18]

I just want the next GM and coach to focus more on youth, skill, and speed.

My biggest critique of Treliving is a lot of the guys he brought in (Neal, Brouwer, Toffoli, Huberdeau, Lucic, etc) weren't the most fleet of foot.

This team needs to get younger and faster.

[TheIronMaiden]

I am not sure this is as ground breaking as folks are making out to be. There are only 6 GMs who have been with the same team as long as BT has been with the Flames.


Calgary Flames Brad Treliving April 28, 2014
made playoffs 5/9 (made second round)

Columbus Blue Jackets Jarmo Kekalainen February 13, 2013
made playoffs 5/10 (made second round)

Dallas Stars Jim Nill April 29, 2013
made playoffs 6/10 (made finals once)

St. Louis Blues Doug Armstrong July 1, 2010
made playoffs 10/13 (Won the Stanely Cup)

Washington Capitals Brian MacLellan May 26, 2014
made playoffs 8/9 (Won the Stanely Cup)

Winnipeg Jets Kevin Cheveldayoff June 8, 2011
made playoffs 6/12 (made conference finals)

Nashville Predators David Poile July 9, 1997*
madeplayoffs 15/24 (made finals once)
*retiring after this season.

[442scotty]

Can anyone give anything positive about Maloney? I sure haven’t seen anything. These seem like dark days ahead

[BrennyBaller]

It was time for a new vision. The same people screaming about how we needed change are the same ones saying "what a horrible day" etc.

I strongly believe Sutter won't be back. I don't think anyone can look at what happened this year and keep him.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

I can assure you there was nothing mutual about this decision. And, this is also not the Flames choosing the coach over the GM. Right now, everything being spun by the Flames is saving face from the fact that a GM no longer wanted to be here even though he was offered a lucrative extension and the authority to fire Sutter.

Brad chose to leave. This team is a dumpster fire and he is getting out when he can. Its an impossible team to recruit players to, and combine that with the meddling owners?

They will probably keep Sutter to make it look like this was their choice. But, its not.

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

this is incorrect. Sutter is responsible for Tkachuk and Gaudreau leaving.

You are posting like you are in the know. Are you in the know or just speculating here like the rest of us?

[Monahammer]

Just watching the press conference. My thoughts on this specifically:

- Why does Maloney look like he's aged enormously over the last 2 years? He looks much less... vital... than he previously has.
- Also, why is he acting like Reek while John is his Ramsay Bolton? He keeps looking over at him but won't make eye contact. He's pretty much checking in with him after every statement he makes. He mentioned emotions about Brad earlier, and yeah, maybe, but it seems much more back of hand than that.
- Bean comes right out and says "I am never allowed to say that word" re: rebuilds.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

No more "process" count at every media availability.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He’s only responsible insofar as he’s the GM. Gaudreau didn’t even know what he was doing himself, and by all accounts made up his mind months and months after Treliving could do anything about it. You wanted him to trade Gaudreau the year before his big season? Or at the TDL in a year where they were 4th favorite to win the cup according to Vegas (after Gaudreau’s 3 team NTC kicked in)?

Yes, the Neal signing had fallout. But I doubt he would have (or any GM would have) offered Tkachuk more than 7 per year at the time.

It's the GM's job to ensure he doesn't lose his best asset for nothing. He failed to do that.

Regarding Tkachuk, Ottawa signed his brother for 8 years at $8.2 mil/yr with less impressive stats. They signed Stutzle to 8 years at 8.3mil/yr with similar stats. It happens. Both of those look great now.

Treliving's results were not good over the course of 9 years. I'm surprised people are romanticizing his tenure like this.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Just watching the press conference. My thoughts on this specifically:

- Why does Maloney look like he's aged enormously over the last 2 years? He looks much less... vital... than he previously has.
- Also, why is he acting like Reek while John is his Ramsay Bolton? He keeps looking over at him but won't make eye contact. He's pretty much checking in with him after every statement he makes. He mentioned emotions about Brad earlier, and yeah, maybe, but it seems much more back of hand than that.
- Bean comes right out and says "I am never allowed to say that word" re: rebuilds.

Same could be said about many people pre vs post-covid.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I am not sure this is as ground breaking as folks are making out to be. There are only 6 GMs who have been with the same team as long as BT has been with the Flames.


Calgary Flames Brad Treliving April 28, 2014
made playoffs 5/9 (made second round)

Columbus Blue Jackets Jarmo Kekalainen February 13, 2013
made playoffs 5/10 (made second round)

Dallas Stars Jim Nill April 29, 2013
made playoffs 6/10 (made finals once)

St. Louis Blues Doug Armstrong July 1, 2010
made playoffs 10/13 (Won the Stanely Cup)

Washington Capitals Brian MacLellan May 26, 2014
made playoffs 8/9 (Won the Stanely Cup)

Winnipeg Jets Kevin Cheveldayoff June 8, 2011
made playoffs 6/12 (made conference finals)

Nashville Predators David Poile July 9, 1997*
madeplayoffs 15/24 (made finals once)
*retiring after this season.

This context makes it seem plausible that Tre living was dealing with the fatigue of the job.

[cannon7]

I did a review of Maloney's track record back when he joined the Flames in 2017. But CapFriendly has a much more exhaustive record for him:

https://www.capfriendly.com/staff/don-maloney

[Harry Lime]

Maloney on fan saying that he will not take the long term gm position, is looking for a progressive gm not just a retread and that Conroy and pascal will both be interviewed. There is no urgency. Todd button still controls the draft (thank god).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol based on what?

Tre gave Tkachuk a 3 year deal and let Gaudreau go to UFA

In the summer you bashed the players for leaving, now its Trelivings fault?

Both guys said they wanted to come back and got offered top dollar and both decided to leave and take less money.

One ended up in Columbus he had no plan.

Not sure about Johnny, but Tkachuk for sure having Sutter here played a role.