[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[the-rasta-masta]

The organization should have a pretty good handle on whether or not Conroy has the mettle to be a GM in this league.

If Conny's not suitable, I'm looking at Jason Botterill.

Honestly, he got flack at the time for his work with Buffalo, but in hindsight many of his moves turned out to be quite good and positioned the team well. Drafted Mittlestadt, Cozens, Dahlin, Eichel. Even the poor signing of Jeff Skinner has rebounded over the past two seasons once Ralph Krueger was removed. Traded a well regarded Brendan Guhle (who ended up not making it) for Montour, who didn't stick in Buffalo but is a great player. Got Tage Thompson in O'Reilly deal which is looking real good. Really, his biggest knock was hiring Krueger in the first place. I think he's a good young GM and could work for us through either path forward, retool or rebuild.

[UnitedFlames]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

I can assure you there was nothing mutual about this decision. And, this is also not the Flames choosing the coach over the GM. Right now, everything being spun by the Flames is saving face from the fact that a GM no longer wanted to be here even though he was offered a lucrative extension and the authority to fire Sutter.

Brad chose to leave. This team is a dumpster fire and he is getting out when he can. Its an impossible team to recruit players to, and combine that with the meddling owners?

They will probably keep Sutter to make it look like this was their choice. But, its not.

Maybe the owners don't want to be the ones to fire Sutter because of loyalty and the fact he came out of semi retirement to help them. Hopefully they're going to pass that task to the the new GM... i.e. make him do their dirty work.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

How? There's only 1 worse position to be in and that's the Buffalo Sabres, years of high picks and no progression.

Slightly better than that is barely missing the playoffs or an early exit coupled with middle first round draft picks, marginal prospects and boat anchor contracts given to your 2 highest paid players.

How can it get worse than where we currently are?

I don't remember who on this forum has it in their signature, but a pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can.

How can it get worse?

Remember when the Flyers traded multiple pieces including a 1st round pick for Ristolainen? Or when the Canucks traded a high 1st for OEL?

Now, imagine what mistakes can make as an organization that thinks anything can happen if they squeak into the playoffs when they currently have all of their 1st round picks and a bottom third prospect pool?

If you think things can't get any worse, you aren't imaging hard enough.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I believe Ryan Leslie just said "that list is growing" when it comes to players not being warm on returning

I have to wonder what the hell is going on in the locker room? I've followed the team forever but I outside of the 90's pre-salary cap era where I can't remember a time where there were so many unhappy players in the locker room.

[Dunnyberg]

I wasn't the biggest Tre fan, but it will be hard to find someone better.

[agulati]

I’m sure the lack of an arena really causes issues attracting and keeping talent as well (in addition to everything else mentioned) The ownership really dropped the ball moving away from the deal that they had agreed on with regards to a new building.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The players wanting to leave was on Treliving. Gaudreau getting to UFA was on Treliving's watch. Tkachuck not being locked up long term - Treliving's watch. Huberdeau contract before he even laced up the skates - Treliving.

Backlund directly said he wants to win - Treliving's duty is to ice a contender. He didn't.

A lot of people acting like Treliving was a victim here.

I'm not saying he's a victim. I fully believe last year was his all-in play to go for the cup, and he lost his hand. The dream was over when the Oilers won that series.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Well, looks like we might get that rebuild you and I wanted. But this is definitely not how I preferred for it to all play out…..

Honest question though: how did you want it to play out?

Treliving stays, new coach, trading players that want to be here and restocking the cupboards that way? I think Treliving is great, truly, but the people begging for a rebuild are begging to rebuild the team he built.

A POHO with a new GM, the willingness to change the coach (if the insider info is believable), and veteran guys wanting out... how is this worse?

I truly don't understand the people who wanted big changes but wanted Treliving kept, or wanted Bean to hire a GM instead of a hockey-minded person. What are we doing here?

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I believe Ryan Leslie just said "that list is growing" when it comes to players not being warm on returning

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It has to be rebuild.

This is a non-playoff team, in salary cap hell, and some key players don't want to be here anymore.

...this team is being forced into a rebuild. If they don't go with it, they're just outright stupid.

If it is not, I might be taking a one year vacation from being a fan until this sorts itself. Ownership really not giving fans much of a choice any longer.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The players wanting to leave was on Treliving. Gaudreau getting to UFA was on Treliving's watch. Tkachuck not being locked up long term - Treliving's watch. Huberdeau contract before he even laced up the skates - Treliving.

Backlund directly said he wants to win - Treliving's duty is to ice a contender. He didn't.

A lot of people acting like Treliving was a victim here.

This is what is most odd about the reactions

Players and GM failed big time...people are also upset by changes

[Johnny Makarov]

If Sutter is still the coach here next year cancel your season tickets now!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

What in the actual bleep is the plan here?

The plan should be to hire Conroy or another young GM of that ilk. (Botterill, Tulsky, etc)

Fire Sutter and promote Mitch Love.

And try to build a management team and coaching staff that will work together to grow the franchise together.

Jon Cooper didn't win until his 8th season in Tampa and worked with Yzerman/Brisebois to help build that roster.

Jared Bednar didn't win until his 6th season in Colorado, and worked with Sakic/MacFarland to help build that roster.

From a management perspective that would be my plan - and that group can decide what to do with Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Backlund, Toffoli, Zadorov, and Kylington as upcoming UFAs. In the end I think an LA Kings style rebuild is probably most likely. Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar probably aren't going anywhere, similar to Kopitar, Doughty, Brown, Quick in LA. So you move out pieces to recover as many assets as possible, bottom out as much as you can for 3-4 years, and in a couple years you might be good while those guys are still under contract and can help.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Honest question though: how did you want it to play out?

Treliving stays, new coach, trading players that want to be here and restocking the cupboards that way? I think Treliving is great, truly, but the people begging for a rebuild are begging to rebuild the team he built.

A POHO with a new GM, the willingness to change the coach (if the insider info is believable), and veteran guys wanting out... how is this worse?

I truly don't understand the people who wanted big changes but wanted Treliving kept, or wanted Bean to hire a GM instead of a hockey-minded person. What are we doing here?

It is worse because I simply don't think the team will choose anybody as capable or intelligent as Treliving for the GM role. We can all appreciate the history of this team.

That's not to say I think the world of Treliving. I think he is an average (maybe above average) GM, who is good at some things in the role and not so good at others.

I anticipate the Flames to make the wrong choice here.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

In fact it wouldn't be too shocking to add 4 or 5 Lewis, Rooney, and Ritchie type players. Cementing the status of the Flames as a 'Sutter club'.

Bring back Looch!!!

This might be like when the Browns were getting turned down by guys to interview for the HC job. People might not want to be the GM in Calgary.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

How can it get worse than where we currently are?

Come back in a year when everyone who's lived up to their contract is walking in free agency for nothing after we barely miss the playoffs again or get bounced in the first round.

I'm not going to cry over Brad Treliving leaving. I think he was jusr an average GM... but I don't have a lot of confidence that upper-management will get a replacement that is average or better.

We are for sure running it back this year and losing a ton of guys next year. If we're lucky we'll get more games and bigger roles for Coronato, Pelletier, and Wolf... if we're not we'll get a bunch of tweener grinders.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Honest question though: how did you want it to play out?

Treliving stays, new coach, trading players that want to be here and restocking the cupboards that way? I think Treliving is great, truly, but the people begging for a rebuild are begging to rebuild the team he built.

A POHO with a new GM, the willingness to change the coach (if the insider info is believable), and veteran guys wanting out... how is this worse?

I truly don't understand the people who wanted big changes but wanted Treliving kept, or wanted Bean to hire a GM instead of a hockey-minded person. What are we doing here?

I guess in my mind I wanted a transition to a rebuild to be done in a “friendlier” manner. But it guess it was always gonna be ugly no matter how they went about it. But I am open to seeing what a new GM can do

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The plan should be to hire Conroy or another young GM of that ilk. (Botterill, Tulsky, etc)

Fire Sutter and promote Mitch Love.

And try to build a management team and coaching staff that will work together to grow the franchise together.

Jon Cooper didn't win until his 8th season in Tampa and worked with Yzerman/Brisebois to help build that roster.

Jared Bednar didn't win until his 6th season in Colorado, and worked with Sakic/MacFarland to help build that roster.

From a management perspective that would be my plan - and that group can decide what to do with Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Backlund, Toffoli, Zadorov, and Kylington as upcoming UFAs.

This has become my preference as well.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The plan should be to hire Conroy or another young GM of that ilk. (Botterill, Tulsky, etc)

Fire Sutter and promote Mitch Love.

And try to build a management team and coaching staff that will work together to grow the franchise together.

Jon Cooper didn't win until his 8th season in Tampa and worked with Yzerman/Brisebois to help build that roster.

Jared Bednar didn't win until his 6th season in Colorado, and worked with Sakic/MacFarland to help build that roster.

From a management perspective that would be my plan - and that group can decide what to do with Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Backlund, Toffoli, Zadorov, and Kylington as upcoming UFAs. In the end I think an LA Kings style rebuild is probably most likely. Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar probably aren't going anywhere, similar to Kopitar, Doughty, Brown, Quick in LA. So you move out pieces to recover as many assets as possible, bottom out as much as you can for 3-4 years, and in a couple years you might be good while those guys are still under contract and can help.

[ComixZone]

Ryan Leslie hitting on the fact that "if you want to win, you have to go through 5 years of crap" and how this organization has never done it.

Hitting on the fact that the top teams are built on players drafted by that organization.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The players wanting to leave was on Treliving. Gaudreau getting to UFA was on Treliving's watch. Tkachuck not being locked up long term - Treliving's watch. Huberdeau contract before he even laced up the skates - Treliving.

Backlund directly said he wants to win - Treliving's duty is to ice a contender. He didn't.

A lot of people acting like Treliving was a victim here.

Wrong word, but in my view it was crystal clear Tre was not free to do what he wanted.

Best of luck Brad I hope you go to an organization that doesn't have a coach with a giant ego always trying to impose his will on you.