[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

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[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Lot's of chatter about Edwards being the one to bring in Sutter and that Sutter and Treliving butted heads.



Lost in all this is that Edwards may have been the one to bring Sutter back, but this is due to Trelivings inability to hire a competent coach and waste a lot of good years with a talented roster.



Whenever Treliving did good, he would somehow find a way to counteract it with something bad.



9 years with a GM and making playoffs half of those years isn't exactly doing a great job.

Now compare how much Sutter was paid to the coaches Treliving signed due to the budget he was given. Were they equal? If he had 2+ mill to spend on a coach, would he have still gone with Gulutzan, Peters, or Ward?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I'm critical of some the things Sutter did this season but Sutter is a winner, Trelving hasn't won anything. I wouldn't automatically assume this is a disaster. Maybe this team needs to stop being the nice guys of the NHL in order to get to another level.

Sutter was a winner at one point in his career. Not anymore.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This just feels like Sutter winning the powerplay and he is going to sink the franchise once again.

Edwards will hire a GM that aligns with his chosen head coach.

We saw the look on the players faces and the comments this is not going to help the organization.

Not sure what this organizations obsession is with Darryl Sutter.

Wouldn't be surprised if Huberdeau, Lindholm and Backlund ask for trades in the offseason.

Ugly day.

[agulati]

This is worst case scenario, especially if Sutter stays on. Frustrating year as a flames fan just gets worse IMO.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I see Sutter more in the toxic boss mould than demanding excellence. You can demand excellence and not be a dick. Working for an awful boss makes everything worse.

I agree Sutter probably crossed over into that territory too much this season.
But I'm not going to presume the future is a disaster if Sutter stays. He's a great hockey mind and coach.

Personally I'm not attached to a lot of what the Flames had in place. 2 first round wins in 10 years, with a team that should have been a contender.
I'm not sure what people are hanging on to. Let's see some changes and see what happens.

[Jacks]

Not sure why people are upset about Sutter still being here. He is under contract for years to come, he's going to be the default coach until the new regime is chosen. The new GM will decide who the coach will be, in the meantime the team isn't going to undermine Sutter that would just be dumb. For the record I would like Sutter to ride off into the sunset but that isn't going to happen today.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I respected Treliving's willingness to go all-in on some moves and to have some guts, but I'll also remember him for replacing Hartley with Gulutzan.

He had his share of pretty awful moves too.

I've already stated I thought he was a good GM, but your comment is 100% bang on re: coaches. You can pick a part every trade any GM made, but the sum of Tre's work on the player trade and build part IMO is really good.

Where he constantly failed as a GM was coach selection. I have no idea if that's the hardest part of the GMs job, maybe as a newer GM he was learning that. But potentially, that could be the root cause of the apparent disconnect here. If he's no longer feeling Sutter is the person (or he never did), that's likely what has driven the parting of ways if ownership is no longer willing to give him leeway on coaching selection because those past failures. Gulutzan and full season of Ward post Peters were awful coaching choices that cost this team big time.

That said, I'd have preferred if we let Tre continue to try and find his way on that one and give him the empowerment to make his calls. But that's completely speculative that the coach is what this is about, it might not be.

[agulati]

Fan 960 not covering this right now?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm a pretty optimistic guy but this seems like a Feaster hire kind of bad day for this organization.

I grant a lot of leeway for how things turn out if I can see the plan when the decision is made. Hockey is a tough sport to build because of the chemistry and unity required.

But when you don't like what's happening at the top it's not a good feeling.

Bad today and maybe no way out of it.

We finally fully agree on something.

Ugly day indeed.

Seems likely a puppet GM that will be a yes man to Edwards and Sutter is on the way.

[NewFan]

The worst news is when the team keeps Sutter that means this team try compete for the playoffs for the next 2 years. So they will try to trade the players who wants out for some kind of similar player with salary and term. Or they try to overpay to keep them.
No future, all for this year for any cost

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Sutter was a winner at one point in his career. Not anymore.

He's one season removed from the Jack Adams.

[agulati]

With the season ticket renewals around the corner, I’m genuinely on the fence of if I want to keep them this year. Depressing day for sure

[hixxes]

Originally Posted by activeStick

One of the most disappointing things about this is the quality of person that Tre is and the high level of empathy he has for everyone. Led this organization with complete class during the Bill Peters fiasco and right from the start of his tenure as GM, he always made a point to bring the human element of things to consider when talking about the players or staff, whether it be about contract negotiations, their play on the ice or their lives away from the rink. I've seen it many times in the professional, non-sports world and these sorts of people are not easy to find and they make teams better and happier, full stop.

Further to this, his support of Chris Snow through his battle with ALS has been amazing.

This feels like a dark day for the organization.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Francis on with Marek:

"Darryl Sutter will be the Head Coach of this team in the fall for sure."

"This news today tells me management chose the coach over the GM"

This truly has me questioning whether or not I want to be a fan of this team.

I have never seen an organization less honest with itself on its ability to compete.

I don't think they care about competing. It's hard to make me care.

Truly that's not a state of mind I want to be in as a fan. It sounds bad. I hope for better, but this isn't fun to watch. It isn't fun to follow.

But maybe caring less about the Flames, whether they win, whether they get a new building - maybe it's best if I just don't care anymore.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm a pretty optimistic guy but this seems like a Feaster hire kind of bad day for this organization.

I grant a lot of leeway for how things turn out if I can see the plan when the decision is made. Hockey is a tough sport to build because of the chemistry and unity required.

But when you don't like what's happening at the top it's not a good feeling.

Bad today and maybe no way out of it.

It's hard for me to overlook:

- Johnny Gaudreau walks away from Calgary
- Matthew Tkachuk informs Calgary he won't re-sign
- Mikael Backlund indicates he's unlikely to re-sign
- Elias Lindholm when asked if he'd re-sign "I have one year left, that's all I'll say"
- Brad Treliving walks away


It's hard to think things are going well for the Calgary Flames when THAT many high performing/quality individuals walk away from the organization.

Treliving walking away just makes me think things are in a bad spot, and that (pessimistically) the organization isn't self-aware enough to begin to correct them.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

If/when Treliving lands somewhere does Conroy follow him?

Or would he rather (i) stay in Calgary because he likes it here and perhaps be the GM in the very near future, or (ii) pursue his own opportunity if he can be a GM elsewhere?

No, Pascal will of course.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Not sure why people are upset about Sutter still being here. He is under contract for years to come, he's going to be the default coach until the new regime is chosen. The new GM will decide who the coach will be, in the meantime the team isn't going to undermine Sutter that would just be dumb. For the record I would like Sutter to ride off into the sunset but that isn't going to happen today.

I don’t think anyone who takes the job will be given the freedom to choose their own coach.

Sutter is Edwards’ guy. That’s not going to change at least for another year or two. That means they’re stuck with either Maloney or Conroy because no one else would be willing to put up with that level of ownership interference.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Interesting that Francis insinuating some people in the organization toughed out the locker room stuff because of Treliving and now he's gone they will want out.

This is gonna be an even wilder summer than last year huh

[NilssonistheReal14]

I can assure you there was nothing mutual about this decision. And, this is also not the Flames choosing the coach over the GM. Right now, everything being spun by the Flames is saving face from the fact that a GM no longer wanted to be here even though he was offered a lucrative extension and the authority to fire Sutter.

Brad chose to leave. This team is a dumpster fire and he is getting out when he can. Its an impossible team to recruit players to, and combine that with the meddling owners?

They will probably keep Sutter to make it look like this was their choice. But, its not.