[Signing] Bruins sign Mitchell Miller UPDATE: Rescinded

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

are you saying that all pro athletes inevitably become d bags? thats a bit of a broad brush stroke

I have met slim few "elite" hockey players who were not total D-Bags.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Try doing it without the magistrate's name. But I've literally read a hundred articles making that magistrate claim without his name or quote being included...

I very much doubt that you have read a hundred articles about this particular case.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Can we get textcritic in here ASAP.

I'm going to allow it. But, PepsiFree had better be giving me a non-trivial percentage of all that new-found wealth.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And here you go with the cyber bullying again because some people questioned if a 14 year old can change. You seriously need to step away and reevaluate your posting style.

There is so much projection in this post that I can't even ...

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

kids don't usually grasp the extent of the harm they inflict at that age and bullying is often a way kids vent because of dysfunctional relationships and environment in their own home . If there is victimizing at home they might replicate that in the school yard .. now that's not to say it isn't still wrong but it means these kids need some educating to comprehend why it's poor behaviour and the effect it has on the victim

most people by adulthood come to understand the right or wrongness of their actions and many may show remorse for it . I'd say its unfair to drag a not yet developed child oved the coals for actions that they dont undrstand the implications of , but once they are adults If they still don't have the wherewithal to understand why they were poor decisions and repeat said behavior then there is an issue

This sums up my feelings on this situation.

When it seemed like Miller actually was trying to take the steps to improve and learn from mistakes (as per what his agent had said) then I thought he deserved another chance. The actions of kids at that age reflect more on their upbringing and family at that age than the individual themselves, and I have a hard time still with telling a kid who was 14 that they can't do something because of their actions at 14, especially if they are trying to grow and change.

But now that it turns out it was all lip service and he wasn't actually actively working with any of those organizations and lied about it...well there goes your second chance and you don't deserve another one.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I very much doubt that you have read a hundred articles about this particular case.

He LITERALLY has read them.

Lit-rally.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

You continue to blame 'shallow journalism', though it was deep enough for most of us to arrive at the correct answer.

Good for you.

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

You've blamed his mother, despite trying to claim the contrary in this very post where you manage to victim blame yet again. It's remarkable.

Could you be less charitable? Doubt it.

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

You've blamed his father. Which is a particularly interesting one as we have very limited information on that incident (shallow journalism, amirite?). Anyone who claims to have an iota of compassion for people who make mistakes might conceive a very plausible scenario that he felt his son was being subjected to more poor treatment...perhaps you'd be more willing to forgive him if he tricked the coach into eating a urinal soaked candy, though?

That incident was over one of their daughters, not the son who was bullied. But you doubt whether I've read these articles?

I never condemned them for those actions. The father was charged with assault. I'm sure the authorities came to a resolution there. The whole point was that no one in this situation is perfect, nor is anyone in this thread. It's OK if the point was lost on you.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by cannon7

That incident was over one of their daughters, not the son who was bullied. But you doubt whether I've read these articles?

Have you read a hundred of them?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This sums up my feelings on this situation.

When it seemed like Miller actually was trying to take the steps to improve and learn from mistakes (as per what his agent had said) then I thought he deserved another chance. The actions of kids at that age reflect more on their upbringing and family at that age than the individual themselves.

But now that it turns out it was all lip service and he wasn't actually actively working with any of those organizations and lied about it...well there goes your second chance and you don't deserve another one.

100% on both points there . it is, almost all of the time, a reflection of their upbringing and home environment . if they are raised to see harassing as normal behavior then they aren't going to understand that outside of their home it isn't normal or acceptable .. also things like self awareness, empathy and an understanding of right and wrong take on different paths of development over time and some kids develop those things slower than others , so they can't always be held accountable if they don't yet grasp the consequences of their behavior at that age

adolescents however are much more capable of understanding the general rules of right and wrong as it pertains to societal norms and should have developed those tools at that point . if they continue their delinquency and lie about such things as well as withhold remorse then there is absolutely more accountability as they have much more agency over their thoughts & actions and ability to discern correct from incorrect behavior

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I have met slim few "elite" hockey players who were not total D-Bags.

well there are players like gio and stajan out there but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 70-30 split of d bag to average decent guy (huberdeau also gives me th impression he's one of the decent ones)

I think that all has to do with the competitive and entitled culture that exists around hockey right from a young age . id imagine it's hard not to let that go to your head if you end up one of the minority that is super successful ... the few that don't lose themselves completely to their egos like the iggys of the world I have even more respect for because you would have to be a grounded and well raised young man to see that much success and still be gentle , humble and friendly with people of all walks of life on good and bad days like he was

[Flamesguy_SJ]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1589368186507784192

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Good for you.



Could you be less charitable? Doubt it.



That incident was over one of their daughters, not the son who was bullied. But you doubt whether I've read these articles?

I never condemned them for those actions. The father was charged with assault. I'm sure the authorities came to a resolution there. The whole point was that no one in this situation is perfect, nor is anyone in this thread. It's OK if the point was lost on you.

It’s not that the point is lost on anyone, it’s that it’s such a cliché, well-understood, and therefore useless point to make that people think it you trying to pass that off as your reasoning is absurd.

You’re trying to pretend you had to bring up some irrelevant but ugly details about the victim’s family because you were having trouble illustrating a point commonly found on motivation posters under a picture of a cat next to some spilled milk? God dude. That’s hilarious.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Flamesguy_SJ

https://twitter.com/user/status/1589368186507784192

Not sure why the stuff he's captured in that video is surprising. That's just a video of a bunch of people saying "I know this guy and he's a great guy". Not surprising that his friends and his family's friends would support him... none of them appear to say anything negative about the victim, unless that's reflected elsewhere?

[Flamesguy_SJ]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Not sure why the stuff he's captured in that video is surprising. That's just a video of a bunch of people saying "I know this guy and he's a great guy". Not surprising that his friends and his family's friends would support him... none of them appear to say anything negative about the victim, unless that's reflected elsewhere?

I believe there is further discussion and screenshots in the rest of the Twitter thread.

[Vinny01]

The anti-woke crowd is really digging into this situation as nothing more than someone who did something as a kid and is now being canceled for it.

In my opinion there has been a lack of accountability in our society for a long time. Trump was the king of saying or doing what he wanted without repercussion. Social media lets people say disgusting things to one another without any recourse. I see it in the workplace all the time with issues always being someone else’s fault.

If Miller is not held accountable then what does that say? It basically says you can be a despicable human being but as long as you have athletic ability then we will just dust off the old “boys will be boys” statement and forgive/forget. Personally I am hoping that at least one kid who needs to mature a little bit sees what happened to Miller and comes to the conclusion they are not invincible and decides to act accordingly.

Everything I read about this story is that he was not really that remorseful and still tried to intimidate Isiah in the years that followed. He only did what he was mandated to do. Optics show now anything he is doing is done with the intent to get his hockey career going again. He could have handled this differently at the time he was caught and charged and showed real remorse and actually apologized like he co-accused did. Miller was always in the position of power and did not feel he needed to be remorseful or accountable for these actions which I would put a lot of this on his parents.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The anti-woke crowd is really digging into this situation as nothing more than someone who did something as a kid and is now being canceled for it.

In my opinion there has been a lack of accountability in our society for a long time. Trump was the king of saying or doing what he wanted without repercussion. Social media lets people say disgusting things to one another without any recourse. I see it in the workplace all the time with issues always being someone else’s fault.

If Miller is not held accountable then what does that say? It basically says you can be a despicable human being but as long as you have athletic ability then we will just dust off the old “boys will be boys” statement and forgive/forget. Personally I am hoping that at least one kid who needs to mature a little bit sees what happened to Miller and comes to the conclusion they are not invincible and decides to act accordingly.

Everything I read about this story is that he was not really that remorseful and still tried to intimidate Isiah in the years that followed. He only did what he was mandated to do. Optics show now anything he is doing is done with the intent to get his hockey career going again. He could have handled this differently at the time he was caught and charged and showed real remorse and actually apologized like he co-accused did. Miller was always in the position of power and did not feel he needed to be remorseful or accountable for these actions which I would put a lot of this on his parents.

it's more like we can/should find forgiveness for something someone does as a child when they might not be developmentally equipped to know better as long as they can admit the faults of their actions and show remorse and a willing ness to be better as an adult . but it all depends on the latter part . if they aren't willing to correct their behavior now with words and actions then they should be withheld from participating in the sport at a pro level

I think that is a fair stance to take

if all of us are honest with ourselves most of us did some stupid or insensitive things as children . should we all get disbanded from our fields as adults because we behaved unethically as still developing children? the important thing is whether or not you learned from it and take responsibility now

there are reasonable grounds and unreasonable grounds for canceling a person .. going too far in the other direction isn't productive either

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Optics show now anything he is doing is done with the intent to get his hockey career going again.

Here's the weird thing: he seems to be truly terrible at this. Even if he truly is remorseless, one assumes that if he wanted to he could do a much better job at feigning contrition and taking all of the steps recommended to make it appear to anyone who wants to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's doing everything he can to make amends. I mean why not just do all the stuff the agent says he did, or started to do, that now appears to have been exaggerated or even fabricated?

It's bizarre.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Flamesguy_SJ

https://twitter.com/user/status/1589368186507784192

Racist people think racist kid is a-ok. News at 11:00.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s not that the point is lost on anyone, it’s that it’s such a cliché, well-understood, and therefore useless point to make that people think it you trying to pass that off as your reasoning is absurd.

You’re trying to pretend you had to bring up some irrelevant but ugly details about the victim’s family because you were having trouble illustrating a point commonly found on motivation posters under a picture of a cat next to some spilled milk? God dude. That’s hilarious.

Yet you do nothing but cast stones.

[sureLoss]

Sounds like the bruins will likely have to pay Miller to get rid of him:

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...itchell-miller

The Boston Bruins have limited options with Mitchell Miller, the defenseman they signed Friday and cut ties with two days later in the wake of public outcry.

The Bruins signed Miller, 20, to an entry-level contract with the intention of sending him to AHL Providence. He remains under contract with the team and is technically still a member of Providence.

According to NHL sources, there are a few ways to address this situation for Boston:

• The Bruins could simply decide to pay Miller to stay home for this season and then buy him out at the end of the year for one-third of his NHL salary. According to Cap Friendly, his NHL case salary is $750,000, with $95,000 in signing bonus money and a maximum of $105,000 in performance bonuses for the 2022-23 season.

• The Bruins could work with Miller, agent Eustace King and the NHLPA on a settlement that would allow him to become a free agent. While Miller is in the AHL, this would fall under NHLPA jurisdiction.

• The Bruins or the NHL could seek to terminate the contract because of Miller's history. The collective bargaining agreement gives commissioner Gary Bettman powers to expel a player from the NHL, for example. But a source told ESPN that the NHLPA would be expected to file a grievance in this case. The same goes for any kind of multiyear suspension to essentially nullify the contract.