[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Serious question: Why do you even bother being a fan?
This is the OPPOSITE of a cycle of mediocrity.

I enjoy watching the games and hope to one day see the team win another Stanley Cup.

No, this is absolutely contributing to the cycle of mediocrity.

Thank you.

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Conditions per the Habs. This might be a record on complicated conditions for a pick in NHL history

https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/c...onahan-Release

[spydermal]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That part will actively contribute to the mediocrity pretty quickly.

never stop being insufferable

[stemit14]

From my first pass at reading those conditions, I think the theme is that the deal is designed to minimize the chance that the flames will give the canadiens a top ten pick as part of this trade. They will receive a first round pick no matter what… but if the flames or panthers pick pick is in the top ten, the pick is deferred a year.


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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That part will actively contribute to the mediocrity pretty quickly.

You’ll feel better if you just accept that the Flames were never going to do a scorched earth rebuild, so might as well just throw that out the window.

It makes them better in the next 2 years - which is clearly what they are trying to achieve at this point.

[Hockey_Ninja]

You have to add sweeteners to dump bad contracts in a flat cap world. It is what it is. I’m just glad it’s not 2023

[Nammer403]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Conditions per the Habs. This might be a record on complicated conditions for a pick in NHL history

https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/c...onahan-Release

TLDR please

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That part will actively contribute to the mediocrity pretty quickly.

You need to pick a new secondary team to cheer for. Seems like you are very into the burn it down mode which the Flames will never commit to. I get it but this team is painful that way haha

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So basically the Flames protected themselves in case their draft picks came in the top ~10, and at worst case could give up a high position in the 2025 draft (albeit not the first overall pick).

In effect, Tre playing with the extra 1st round pick he got from Florida to move Monahan. The opportunity-cost is signing Kadri. Given that he wants Kadri, this is a decent way to do it and is primarily funded by the great return he got for Tkachuk.

Yeah, he gave himself a little more protection than in the Hamonic trade, where he probably expected a high 20s pick and it turned into a mid-teens pick.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Bet it's Monahan + 2nd

This didn't age well.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

flames gonna flame, cycle of mediocrity continues.

ashax gonna ashax, cycle of negativity continues.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Dan403

This didn't age well.

It's Monahan and a late first. Not that much different.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That part will actively contribute to the mediocrity pretty quickly.

I mean at what point do you go for it? We are still are guaranteed to have three first round picks in the next three seasons, unlike Florida for example who in my opinion is easily worse on paper now.

On paper we have

- HHOF and Jack Adams winning head coach
- Vezina finalist goaltender
- Selke finalist top line center
- #2 leading point producer in the NHL last season
- Three incredibly gifted 200 foot centermen
- Arguably the deepest defensive core in the NHL

Those are cup contending pieces - and we still hold all of our top prospects and first round picks for the foreseeable future. We didn't mortgage our future to get here.

I don't see the problem.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

flames gonna flame, cycle of mediocrity continues.

Weird take considering they made their team significantly better today. This team is all in while our hall of fame coach came out of retirement to try and win this city a cup. They were dealt a devastating hand losing their top 2 point producers but salvaged the summer amazingly adding 2 top end forwards and a high end Dman.

This team is quite arguably better than last years team that is far from mediocre

[Gemnoble]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I enjoy watching the games and hope to one day see the team win another Stanley Cup.

No, this is absolutely contributing to the cycle of mediocrity.

Thank you.

Go for a walk, take up a new hobby. Maybe seek therapy. You're awfully negative for little reason.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You’ll feel better if you just accept that the Flames were never going to do a scorched earth rebuild, so might as well just throw that out the window.

I accepted it. However, with this Kadri signing, I believe that the Flames will have one season to hope it all clicks and win a Stanley Cup before the wheels start falling off.

Ultimately I think it hurts the team on both ends. Shortens their window and hampers the future.

[Monahammer]

Taketh and giveth I suppose.

This was a bad trade to make though. I suspect this is ultimately why we were able to land Kadri: if Lou was facing the same prospect of return on the pieces he needed to move out for cap I believe he decided to eat it.

[sureLoss]

So Basically the condition is this:

Montreal has the option to take the Flames 2024 1st if the pick is 20-32.

Otherwise it becomes complicated depending on whether Calgary gets Florida's pick or not and depending whether picks are top 10 or not.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Conditions per the Habs. This might be a record on complicated conditions for a pick in NHL history

https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/c...onahan-Release

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

flames gonna flame, cycle of mediocrity continues.

We still have our next two 1st you know. Plus Florida’s in 2025…..or 2026. Whatever the hell the conditions on that pick are