08-18-2022, 03:33 PM
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#401
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First Line Centre
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It's complicated because there are a vast number of conditions. FLA's to us, ours to MTL's, etc.
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08-18-2022, 03:39 PM
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#402
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Montreal probably doesn't want the FLA 2025 pick because there's two reasons it can become a 2026. The 2024 to Philly can push to 2025, and/or we can get 2026 because of the top 10 protection.
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08-18-2022, 03:40 PM
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#403
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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To those a little upset about the 1st rounder going the other way need to try to look at this all as 1 chain of events.
-Flames aren’t signing Kadri without shedding Monahan’s salary.
-Flames aren’t shedding Monahan’s salary without the 1st.
-Flames wouldn’t have the luxury of trading a 1st if Treliving didn’t swindle the Panthers.
Tkachuk’s decision to leave netted us Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, and Schwindt. It’s as simple as that.
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08-18-2022, 03:46 PM
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#404
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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08-18-2022, 03:47 PM
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#405
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Crash and Bang Winger
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I'm OK with this.
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08-18-2022, 03:47 PM
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#406
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#1 Goaltender
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Monahan + 1st for Kadri
I'll take that all day err day
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08-18-2022, 03:47 PM
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#407
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First Line Centre
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That's a massive price to pay for 1 year of retention, IMO.
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08-18-2022, 03:48 PM
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#408
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Franchise Player
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I wonder what the future conditions are
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08-18-2022, 03:48 PM
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#409
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Have to think the condition on the 2025 would be the lower of the FLA or CGY 1st for that year, or perhaps a condition based on if Florida’s first goes to 2026.
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08-18-2022, 03:48 PM
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#410
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Yup that too much to pay for one year of salary retention IMO.
I like the Kadri add but I feel like this shouldn’t have costed a 1st
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08-18-2022, 03:49 PM
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#411
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DionTheDman
That's a massive price to pay for 1 year of retention, IMO.
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It was not unexpected.
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08-18-2022, 03:50 PM
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#412
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Would have been crazy if this was all done at once as a 3 team sign and trade.
To Flames: Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt
To Florida: Tkachuk (9.5x8)
To Montreal: Monahan, Florida 1st rounder 2025
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08-18-2022, 03:50 PM
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#413
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
I wonder what the future conditions are
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What they always are... nothing.
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08-18-2022, 03:50 PM
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#414
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
I wonder what the future conditions are
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A dinner with Brad at the Montreal restaurant that got Huberdeau to sign with the Flames
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08-18-2022, 03:51 PM
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#415
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Conditions per the Habs. This might be a record on complicated conditions for a pick in NHL history
https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/c...onahan-Release
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Here are the conditions associated with the first-round selection acquired by Montreal:
1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,
If Florida's 2025 First (1st) Round Choice Transfers to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)
2. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:
A) If both Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice (previously acquired by Calgary) are not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall receive the earlier of the two (2) stated choices; or,
B) If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida's 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice).
If Florida's 2025 First Round Choice DOES NOT Transfer to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)
3. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:
A. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice, and additionally,
1) If Florida's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results); and,
2) Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice has been transferred to another NHL Club; and,
3) Florida's 2025 first round draft position is better than Calgary's 2025 first round draft position; then Calgary will transfer their own 2025 fourth round choice to Montreal.
B. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice, subject to the following condition below:
1) In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).
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08-18-2022, 03:52 PM
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#416
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DionTheDman
That's a massive price to pay for 1 year of retention, IMO.
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That’s the market. Anyone thinking we could move Monahan or Lucic this off-season without paying through the nose was kidding themselves.
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08-18-2022, 03:53 PM
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#417
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Yup that too much to pay for one year of salary retention IMO.
I like the Kadri add but I feel like this shouldn’t have costed a 1st
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2 1sts in 2025. Flames essentially traded a broken Monaghan and Tkachuk for Huberdeau, Weeger, Schwint and Kadri… that’s a total win of a trade.
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08-18-2022, 03:53 PM
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#418
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Explain this to me like I'm 5
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08-18-2022, 03:54 PM
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#419
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Franchise Player
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flames gonna flame, cycle of mediocrity continues.
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08-18-2022, 03:55 PM
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#420
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Holy crap. No wonder it took the better part of the day to finalize it.
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