[Signing] Flames sign Huberdeau to long term extension (8 yrs, $10.5 mil AAV)

[johnnyhockey13]

Just happy we can get rid of the “ no superstar wants to play in Calgary”

[TheScorpion]

Just wait until Coronato signs and goes on Huberdeau's opposite wing.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

This, to me, is an insane contract and a mistake that will really hurt the team in a few years. Wish I could say otherwise but my immediate reaction is overwhelmingly negative.

I'd have much preferred they beat the price Seattle gave for Bjorkstrand, even - obviously not the same tier of player but the cap space is just so much more valuable right now than anything else, and of all the high-earning player types, scoring wingers are the least valuable assets based on the transactions we've seen this summer. Even on that front, if you were going to allocate cap space to a scoring winger, the better bet would be to pay Mangiapane whatever it took to lock him up for 8 years than do this.

I wouldn't have given him 10 million per and I wouldn't have given a term over 6 years. Even 6x9.5 is a bit risky from where I sit. This deal is absurd.

Hope I'm wrong... and hope Weegar comes in for a more reasonable figure.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I’d be worried about this contract. Didn’t really have a choice though.

I'd be worried about a mediocre #4 d-man on any team not named Edmonton with mushy noodles for a brain getting paid 9.25 x 8.

Also that backup you just signed long term to be a starter.

You guys had a choice there.

Back to your perch, wretched gargoyle.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Just wait until Coronato signs and goes on Huberdeau's opposite wing.

I hope he signs in March after Harvard is done.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by memphusk

And you are right also. Its just all the years of mediocrity makes some yearn for a different path. I would like to see the team do a full tear down rebuild and start over at some point and felt like this was the best chance. I don't hate the team and management for the route, but just had that hope for something different. Calgary needs to win the division and rub it in everyone's face this year. In everyone I just mean the Oilers.

The way I think about it is something like this.
There are two levels of assessing the management of the team.

1. Are they selecting the right strategy to execute
2. How well are they executing the strategy they have selected


We can debate #1. I would be in favor of a proper extended re-build to give the franchise a foundation of assets it needs to create a team that contend for an extended period of time.

However, I've accepted they didn't choose that strategy and thus at some point, to me, it makes sense to move to the second level question.

So then we debate how well they are executing the strategy they have chosen. That strategy is focused on trying to extend this team's contention window, and try to win now.

So then I evaluate the moves they make on that basis. Because if you evaluate the moves because you wish they were re-building, almost everything they do will feel like a failure because they didn't pick the strategy you would prefer.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'd be worried about a mediocre #4 d-man on any team not named Edmonton with mushy noodles for a brain getting paid 9.25 x 8.

... And also, if the general take is "well it's not as bad as the Darnell Nurse contract", which I've seen in here like five times, that's not a great sign.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

https://twitter.com/user/status/1555386332612108291


Another analyst's take. Good discussion in the comments. Is bad defensively, not great in transition, but good once zone entry is gained.

Beautiful. Well we have just the right coach for him to fix that.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Too much.



Huberdeau is more like a Rantanen/B Point level superstar, and people are acting like we signed a MacKinnon/Makar/Kucherov.

No. We signed Johnny's replacement for the same money we offered Johnny. Except we got a player that is probably a better playmaker and is 5 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by MrMike

In 5 years Coronato will be putting up 40 goals while Wolf is winning his second consecutive Vezina trophy.

Nobody cares what those guys will do when they're playing for the 2027-28 Houston Coyotes.

[SuperMatt18]

To me this screams that Treliving isn’t done either.

He’s trying to lock up the RFAs, Huberdeau, and probably Weegar to better understand our long term cap situation.

I have a feeling we see a couple more moves in the next week or so potentially.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

Posting in a historical thread.

10.5/10 would sign again.

Was waiting for a poster to drop this line. Took long enough!

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

... And also, if the general take is "well it's not as bad as the Darnell Nurse contract", which I've seen in here like five times, that's not a great sign.

Huberdeau will positively impact his team, and 'stir the drink' offensively.

Nurse will be lucky to break even on any given night.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This, to me, is an insane contract and a mistake that will really hurt the team in a few years. Wish I could say otherwise but my immediate reaction is overwhelmingly negative.

I'd have much preferred they beat the price Seattle gave for Bjorkstrand, even - obviously not the same tier of player but the cap space is just so much more valuable right now than anything else, and of all the high-earning player types, scoring wingers are the least valuable assets based on the transactions we've seen this summer. Even on that front, if you were going to allocate cap space to a scoring winger, the better bet would be to pay Mangiapane whatever it took to lock him up for 8 years than do this.

I wouldn't have given him 10 million per and I wouldn't have given a term over 6 years. Even 6x9.5 is a bit risky from where I sit. This deal is absurd.

Hope I'm wrong... and hope Weegar comes in for a more reasonable figure.

If we offer 6 x 9.5m then Huberdeau’s agent would laugh at us, say that we insulted his client, and then sign a 75m/7 = 10.714m in free agency the following season.

Gotta pay to play. We just lost Gaudreau and Tkachuk. And, we found a player who is just as good if not better than Johnny that was willing to sign the same exact deal we offered Johnny to remain here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

... And also, if the general take is "well it's not as bad as the Darnell Nurse contract", which I've seen in here like five times, that's not a great sign.

No that take is “no one whose team signs Darnell Nurse to that contract should say anything about anyone else’s contracts”.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The way I think about it is something like this.
There are two levels of assessing the management of the team.

1. Are they selecting the right strategy to execute
2. How well are they executing the strategy they have selected


We can debate #1. I would be in favor of a proper extended re-build to give the franchise a foundation of assets it needs to create a team that contend for an extended period of time.

However, I've accepted they didn't choose that strategy and thus at some point, to me, it makes sense to move to the second level question.

So then we debate how well they are executing the strategy they have chosen. That strategy is focused on trying to extend this team's contention window, and try to win now.

So then I evaluate the moves they make on that basis. Because if you evaluate the moves because you wish they were re-building, almost everything they do will feel like a failure because they didn't pick the strategy you would prefer.

Absolutely. Its always one or the other on major decisions. Shes a love hate relationship. Or hate love relationship also. This isn't the worst signing in the world. He will be good, but has work to do to get to the next level.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To me this screams that Treliving isn’t done either.

He’s trying to lock up the RFAs, Huberdeau, and probably Weegar to better understand our long term cap situation.

I have a feeling we see a couple more moves in the next week or so potentially.

Yep. Tre has to move defensemen for either a RHS forward or picks so the Flames don't lose them to waivers..

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

This kid is going to be a beast. Mark my words. What a lovely young man. We are a lucky team. You're going to be very happy with this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This, to me, is an insane contract and a mistake that will really hurt the team in a few years. Wish I could say otherwise but my immediate reaction is overwhelmingly negative.

I'd have much preferred they beat the price Seattle gave for Bjorkstrand, even - obviously not the same tier of player but the cap space is just so much more valuable right now than anything else, and of all the high-earning player types, scoring wingers are the least valuable assets based on the transactions we've seen this summer. Even on that front, if you were going to allocate cap space to a scoring winger, the better bet would be to pay Mangiapane whatever it took to lock him up for 8 years than do this.

I wouldn't have given him 10 million per and I wouldn't have given a term over 6 years. Even 6x9.5 is a bit risky from where I sit. This deal is absurd.

Hope I'm wrong... and hope Weegar comes in for a more reasonable figure.

This is what it takes to sign a top player to a contract in Calgary (and probably any other Canadian city). Otherwise you are trading him for futures, rebuilding and hoping you don’t have to pay whoever you draft even more before they bolt like Tkachuk, and you are in the same cycle of no star players sticking forever.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Yep. Tre has to move defensemen for either a RHS forward or picks so the Flames don't lose them to waivers..

I’m not too scared of waivers at the start of the season. Everyone has those guys already.