[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Good thing he wasn't the Avs GM

Tkachuk hasn't exactly got it done in the playoffs either, against much worse competition

Yeah but Tkachuck is 24 while Huberdeau and Weegar are knocking on 30. They got younger and you can still expect growth from Mathew, like the poster above said it's hard to imagine him not getting better in the playoffs.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I don't think its a tremendous mystery. Before this trade - they had 4 guys making up 40% of their cap room (Barkov/Bobrovsky both 12.1%, Ekblad 9.1%, Reinhart 7.9%. They didn't want 2 more big contracts - so they consolidated their 2 guys into 1 guy who's younger.

They could have lost them for nothing at the end of the year - so they moved them for some kind of return.

You see it more in fantasy leagues than pro leagues but it does happen - GM starts to devalue his own guys because they are blocked from a role or be unable to be kept.

People keep saying they’ll lose Huberdeau and Weegar for nothing

That’s not true if they trade them if not for Tkachuk then something else. I would argue some decent trade values there

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Time will tell but I strongly disagree, how many 100 point seasons do you see for Tkachuk in those 8 years? Also is their team better for this season?

Seems to be they may be decent longer but will never be as good as they could have been this season.

I think this is a great trade for both teams. Florida has a 24 year old 100+ point player locked up for the same term as their elite 27 year old center. I could definitely see Tkachuk putting up top 10 scoring numbers as he gets closer to his prime ages of 28-30. Florida is now not having to pay a 30 year old forward (at the time of extension) and a 29 year old Dman a combined ~$16M for their early-late 30’s extensions

For Calgary it is an amazing deal because the team gets back a lot of what they lost in Gaudreau in the form of Huberdeau and have greatly improved their blueline for at least the upcoming year. If the Flames sign both then great but those deals likely will not age as well as Chucky’s. Their contract status is likely why the Flames were able to squeeze out the needed futures.

We have an elite coach who is almost certainly on his last ride and Treliving by far made the best deal to try and complete that unfinished business. I truly think this is a win-win deal but the reason the price seems so high is because it really seemed like Treliving had no leverage but still made the team for next year better than if they had kept Matthew

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

People keep saying they’ll lose Huberdeau and Weegar for nothing

That’s not true if they trade them if not for Tkachuk then something else. I would argue some decent trade values there

You asked why Florida would make the trade. They are in the same spot as the Flames with Gaudreau with those guys. They aren't going to trade them at the trade deadline for a 1st round pick.

Nothing to do with what the Flames will do.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But it's not a win unless the Flames get every possible contingency covered by a deal invented in every critic's mind.

Correct. I need to know who we’re drafting with Florida’s pick in 2025 and see how their career plays out before I finish my appraisal on this trade.

[dino7c]

I guess I just don't see Tkachuk as being as good as some of you do...I see them having a worse regular season almost guaranteed and I can't see them coming out of that division in the playoffs. They lost their leading scorer by 27 points and their 2nd best dman.

They also don't have first to trade for deadline help

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Time will tell but I strongly disagree, how many 100 point seasons do you see for Tkachuk in those 8 years? Also is their team better for this season?

Seems to be they may be decent longer but will never be as good as they could have been this season.

I would put my money on Tkachuk to get more 100 point seasons in the next 8 years than Huberdeau. In reality, 100 points is just an arbitrary number and neither needs to put up 100 points again in a season to be successful. It's a rare thing to happen in general. Huberdeau is 29 and has only done it once for example.

Tkachuk probably hasn't even peaked yet. He may not get 100 points again in a season, but his overall game should continue to progress. in 5 years, what are the chances that Huberdeau is even a 60-70 point player, just based on normal career projections for players as they age? In 5 years, Tkachuk should still be close to where he is now.

If Tkachuk plays with Barkov, he will already have a better line mate than at any point in his time with the Flames. No disrespect to Gaudreau or Lindholm, but Barkov is a just next level. I wouldn't be shocked to see him hit at least 40 goals again in such a scenario.

[Infinit47]

Huberdeau has made just under $40 mil to date in his career. If the Flames come at him with an $80 million offer I think he will seriously consider it. He's just seen what happened to Gaudreau and Klingberg in free agency, and would know what happened to Hall last year.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I would put my money on Tkachuk to get more 100 point seasons in the next 8 years than Huberdeau. In reality, 100 points is just an arbitrary number and neither needs to put up 100 points again in a season to be successful. It's a rare thing to happen in general. Huberdeau is 29 and has only done it once for example.

Tkachuk probably hasn't even peaked yet. He may not get 100 points again in a season, but his overall game should continue to progress. in 5 years, what are the chances that Huberdeau is even a 60-70 point player, just based on normal career projections for players as they age? In 5 years, Tkachuk should still be close to where he is now.

If Tkachuk plays with Barkov, he will already have a better line mate than at any point in his time with the Flames. No disrespect to Gaudreau or Lindholm, but Barkov is a just next level. I wouldn't be shocked to see him hit at least 40 goals again in such a scenario.

I've always thought Tkachuk was more of a 60-80 point guy than an 80-100 point guy. Similar to how Kadri is a 50-70 point guy who just put up 87 points. It could happen again, but I don't think Tkachuk hits 100 points again. If he does I will cheer him on, as I have nothing but respect for him.

I also don't think Huberdeau hits 100 points again, but I do think he and Tkachuk will score at similar paces over the next five years, depending on where Huberdeau plays.

[tvp2003]

I for one can’t wait for the season to begin. Enough gnashing of teeth debating who wants to stay and which players will re-sign and/or agree to long term extensions. Just drop the puck so we can see how all of these players fare on their new teams.

Purely from an entertainment perspective, I’m looking forward to seeing which “duo” has the most success this season:

Huberdeau-Lindholm
Gaudreau-Laine
Barkov-Tkachuk

[saillias]

Doesn't seem like a guarantee to me that Tkachuk will play with Barkov at all. Laine and Gaudreau is more obvious as well as Lindholm/Huberdeau but Barkov already has his line mates, he didn't play with Huberdeau at 5 on 5. Is Tkachuk going to be worth 9.5 mil with Bennett and Duclair or Reinhart

[powderjunkie]

Wouldn't be surprised if they do something like:

Verhaege-Barkov-Duclair
Tkachuk-Lundell*-Reinhart
???-Bennett*-White

2/3C swapping as necessary.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Zito got a 24 year old player that just scored over 40 goals and 100 point who is locked in for 8 years. Aside from that, Tkachuk has intangibles as well.

Given their cap situation after this season, it's likely that they would have to walk away from one of Huberdeau or Weegar (or another impact player). Tkachuk will also be in his prime for all, or nearly all, of the 8 years that he is signed for. Huberdeau and Weegar will likely be post-apex players 3 or 4 years from now.

I am not saying is was a bad trade for us, but Florida made a great decision IMO.

To me it's super inconsistent to spend so many assets on rentals and then just jettison your own.

Especially how they've decimated their defense with Weegar gone.

They're win now, but arguably worse because of the trade in the next year, before Tkachuk being around makes them better and extends their window.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I guess I just don't see Tkachuk as being as good as some of you do...I see them having a worse regular season almost guaranteed and I can't see them coming out of that division in the playoffs. They lost their leading scorer by 27 points and their 2nd best dman.

They also don't have first to trade for deadline help

And I believe they’re still 3-4 million over the cap.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I've always thought Tkachuk was more of a 60-80 point guy than an 80-100 point guy. Similar to how Kadri is a 50-70 point guy who just put up 87 points. It could happen again, but I don't think Tkachuk hits 100 points again. If he does I will cheer him on, as I have nothing but respect for him.

I also don't think Huberdeau hits 100 points again, but I do think he and Tkachuk will score at similar paces over the next five years, depending on where Huberdeau plays.

I would actually be surprised if Huberdeau or Tkachuk hit 100 points again. It's hard to do, and especially hard to repeat. For some reason, it seems like many players produced outside of norms las season. I haven't looked too hard, but I suspect there were way more players above a PPG pace than in most years.

Huberdeau was one of those guys as well. He beat his previous high by 23 points and more than 0.3 points per game, same as Tkachuk pretty much who beat his previous high by 27 points and also 0.3 point per game. Both of them seemed to overachieve by similar margins, but one is 5 years younger than the other.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I guess I just don't see Tkachuk as being as good as some of you do...I see them having a worse regular season almost guaranteed and I can't see them coming out of that division in the playoffs. They lost their leading scorer by 27 points and their 2nd best dman.

They also don't have first to trade for deadline help

I see them as a playoff team still but not President Trophy calibre. Florida, TB, and Toronto are the 3 locks imo. Ottawa will also challenge but I think they are a wildcard team. Buffalo and Boston are bubble teams imo.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Yeah but Tkachuck is 24 while Huberdeau and Weegar are knocking on 30. They got younger and you can still expect growth from Mathew, like the poster above said it's hard to imagine him not getting better in the playoffs.

Huberdeau turned 29 less than two months ago.
Weegar turns 29 in January.
Chucky will be 25 in just over 4 months.
You make it seem like there is six years' difference in their ages.
Weegar and Chucky are slightly less than 4 years apart.
At least be close to factual with your posts.

[bdubbs]

But then it doesn't sound nearly as bad, and we couldn't have that...

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Huberdeau turned 29 less than two months ago.
Weegar turns 29 in January.
Chucky will be 25 in just over 4 months.
At least be close to factual with your posts.

lol

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I see them as a playoff team still but not President Trophy calibre. Florida, TB, and Toronto are the 3 locks imo. Ottawa will also challenge but I think they are a wildcard team. Buffalo and Boston are bubble teams imo.

You need wild standings swings for anyone to catch Boston in that division. They finished 32 points ahead of Buffalo. That's a huge swing. The difference between them is the nearly the same as between San Jose and Calgary last year.

Not impossible - but that's a massive margin to make up.