[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Was the Kawhi Leonard trade a win for the Raptors?

The only way that would have a comparison here is if the Flames win the Stanley Cup this year. So ask that question again when that happens.

[the-rasta-masta]

Apologies if it's been posted somewhere in all the trade threads, but was there ever confirmation of what any of the other offers were, particularly the St Louis one? I've seen a few posts where it sounds like the Blues offer was public?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Apologies if it's been posted somewhere in all the trade threads, but was there ever confirmation of what any of the other offers were, particularly the St Louis one? I've seen a few posts where it sounds like the Blues offer was public?

Rutherford on the Athletic speculated the Blues offer was Tarasenko, Scandella and a high pick

The Hurricanes were rumored to have a deal around Necas but no other info. I could have seen the Canes being more aggressive prior to their acquisition of Pacioretty which limited their cap space

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Rutherford on the Athletic speculated the Blues offer was Tarasenko, Scandella and a high pick

The Hurricanes were rumored to have a deal around Necas but no other info. I could have seen the Canes being more aggressive prior to their acquisition of Pacioretty which limited their cap space

Wow, start the car indeed. Great work Tre.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Apologies if it's been posted somewhere in all the trade threads, but was there ever confirmation of what any of the other offers were, particularly the St Louis one? I've seen a few posts where it sounds like the Blues offer was public?

Several sources say the Blues’ offer was Tarasenko + Scandella + 1st

Sources also say the Canes offer included Necas.

They also say those two plus the Panthers were the only offers made. And the list of teams Tkachuk submitted was said to consist of those 3 plus Tampa, Nashville, and Dallas.

Trades for players with $9+ mil cap hits are extremely difficult to make in a flat cap environment, especially with a limited number of suitors.

[Roof-Daddy]

Huberdeau > Tarasenko
Weegar > Scandella

FLA Pick + prospect > STL Pick

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Several sources say the Blues’ offer was Tarasenko + Scandella + 1st

Sources also say the Canes offer included Necas.

They also say those two plus the Panthers were the only offers made.

Trades for players with $9+ mil cap hits are extremely difficult to make in a flat cap environment.

Indeed even though Tkachuk provided a list of 5 teams he would consider, 2 of them were not possibilities, so it came down to those 3.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by UnitedFlames

Tkachuk had zero to do with our haul. The Flames were just super lucky that Florida values him the way they do and decided to go this route now. If not for that, we might all be debating where Tarasenko fits into the line up. If that had happened, no one would be calling Tkachuk a hero.

As someone on here said, he's in it for himself - always has been, always will be.

Call it whatever you will, but this trade is going to shake out as a colossal failure if Huberdeau and Weegar are not extended long term. For me, if this isn't done by training camp, it is almost a guarantee that we are going to be in the same situation as we just were next summer wondering what happened as these 2 players walk off into the sunset for greener pastures.

BT has done half the job but playing the slow game again would be a major miscalculation. We all know this team won't be in sell mode come the trade deadline so something needs to give. I am completely unwilling to call this trade a "haul" or massive win until there is at least one of the parties locked up. Florida only moved these guys because they knew they would be challenging to sign given their own perceived value and cap situation.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames win the cup next year it is a win no matter what

Exactly. If this is Darryl’s last year of coaching do you roll the dice and fall head first into a rebuild the year following?

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Huberdeau > Tarasenko
Weegar > Scandella

FLA Pick + prospect > STL Pick

Treliving must of done a hell of a job leveraging what St.Louis was offering against Florida. Forced them to upgrade on St.Louis' offer, at forward and the blueline. Both have a first in the deal, then get the prospect added for good measure.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have only one Raiders player jersey and it's a Bo Jackson one. Being a big football fan I'm used to players moving around all the time and due to guaranteed contracts it doesn't happen as much in the NHL but it doesn't change the fact that players are hired mercenaries so it's a matter of cheering for the jersey and not getting overly attached to players. When Iginla left I turned the page quickly just as I have with these two players. It's just business at the end of the day and nothing personal as players should do what's in their own best interests. Tkachuk's actions have spoken for him so he doesn't owe me an explanation, and the last thing I want is BS from him about how it was a tough decisions or how much he liked playing in Calgary. The events this summer involving him have been in the works for a long time. He's turned the page on the Calgary part of his career and I have turned the page on cheering for him as I'm focused on the players wearing the jersey that want to be here.

Agree with this and you can see why players shouldn't be vilified by acting this by seeing what happened with Huberdeau. By all accounts he wanted to sign back in Florida long term but they traded him when they thought they could improve.

The Flames would and should do the same thing to the players as well if they can improve the team. As long as both sides are giving it their all during the contractually agreement - that's really all you can ask for.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Parallex

While I think that's true my estimation is that the Flames will be a very good team this upcoming season... following from that I don't think they would be traded so the theoretical return you could get for them doesn't matter.

It matters to me as I plan on remaining a Flames fan past this upcoming season.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I disagree It's only a massive win if both extend. It's a slight win if only Huberdeau extends, a slight loss if only Weegar extends, and a big loss if neither do.

If neither want to sign and then ...

Huberdeau is dealt for a 1st, 2nd and a prospect
Weegar is dealt for a 1st and a 4th

it's still a loss?

That's Tkachuk and a 4th for 3 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd, Schwindt, and a prospect.

The only way they lose this deal is if both players walk in a year, but even then it's a 1st, Schwindt, and the value of both players playing in Calgary for a year as rentals.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think your ok scenario really depends on which one signs. If it is Hubredeau it is definitely ok, maybe even slightly better than ok and the Flames did very well in the trade. If Weeger signs and we lose Hubredeau for nothing it is probably slightly worse than ok and it is questionable whether the Flames did well in the trade. Other than that I agree with the breakdown.

I think both are wins.

protected 1st
Schwindt
Weegar (1st pairing D signed)
one year rental of Huberdeau.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think both are wins.

protected 1st
Schwindt
Weegar (1st pairing D signed)
one year rental of Huberdeau.

If you believe if it’s a one year of Tkachuk then it’s a win

If you believe it’s a trade of a signed Tkachuk then it’s a meh deal. Average I guess.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It matters to me as I plan on remaining a Flames fan past this upcoming season.

Of course... I'm saying it doesn't matter because it's not going to happen. The Flames will not be trading them (unless something goes seriously sideways) so what you could hypothetically get for them in trade doesn't matter. I mean I suppose you could imagine what they team could get for their negotiating rights after the playoffs (but that won't be much at all).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Call it whatever you will, but this trade is going to shake out as a colossal failure if Huberdeau and Weegar are not extended long term. For me, if this isn't done by training camp, it is almost a guarantee that we are going to be in the same situation as we just were next summer wondering what happened as these 2 players walk off into the sunset for greener pastures.

BT has done half the job but playing the slow game again would be a major miscalculation. We all know this team won't be in sell mode come the trade deadline so something needs to give. I am completely unwilling to call this trade a "haul" or massive win until there is at least one of the parties locked up. Florida only moved these guys because they knew they would be challenging to sign given their own perceived value and cap situation.

Tarasenko is also a guy with one year left to UFA. In NJ, Bratt is an unsigned RFA and any D that they'd care to include would be a pending UFA. Same with Dallas and Robertson being an existing RFA. So out of his options, Treliving clearly did the best deal possible.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Even in the “loss” scenario, it is a mitigated loss as we know we have a good prospect and a first rounder, plus whatever run we have this year with Huberdeau and Weegar. To me that is still better than the Blues offer. Not ideal, but better. The Canes offer is harder to decipher since we don’t know what it was. Necas is fine, but if he comes with a bunch of cap dumps and nothing better than a late first, I don’t see that as much better, if at all.

The problem I think is that posters are comparing the “loss” against a mythical return of unprotected firsts and NJ’s 2nd overall, when now it seems clear that wasn’t an option. NJ wasn’t on the list. It was Floridas very credible offer and a bunch of pu-pu platters. Flames win this deal. Be happy.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Double post

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Even in the “loss” scenario, it is a mitigated loss as we know we have a good prospect and a first rounder, plus whatever run we have this year with Huberdeau and Weegar. To me that is still better than the Blues offer. Not ideal, but better. The Canes offer is harder to decipher since we don’t know what it was. Necas is fine, but if he comes with a bunch of cap dumps and nothing better than a late first, I don’t see that as much better, if at all.

The problem I think is that posters are comparing the “loss” against a mythical return of unprotected firsts and NJ’s 2nd overall, when now it seems clear that wasn’t an option. NJ wasn’t on the list. It was Floridas very credible offer and a bunch of pu-pu platters. Flames win this deal. Be happy.

But it's not a win unless the Flames get every possible contingency covered by a deal invented in every critic's mind.