[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It's why this trade is so awesome. I've voiced my concern around contract status and I really want these extension to get buttoned up (how cool would it be to have them announced tomorrow?), but this trade was big for today and it gave us a big piece in the future.

Treliving somehow brought in a player who was tied for 2nd in scoring in the league last year AND helped gain future/young assets. The entire thought process around basing the deal around futures for me was that there was no way we'd get a player as good as Chucky for *right now*...but then he went and did just that AND got futures AND also got a top pairing defenceman.

It's an impressive bit of work.

And even in the worst case scenario, they can both be dealt for futures at the deadline if necessary. It’s a trade that has a Plan A and a Plan B built right into it.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Mitch

No, bonus IS included in cap!

That’s what I meant

Just missed a comma on the small phone lol

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by browna

Sure, maybe not screwed them over as much as he could’ve, but when he signed the last deal, it was with the full intention of putting the Flames in this predicament going into his/this final season before UFA, forcing the Flames to either qualify, sign long term (at his choice) or force the Flames make a trade before he plays in his QO signed season to get the best return (ie not at the deadline) and not signing a longer term back then and chew up and UFA years like John did.

I can't blame Tkachuk and his agent for taking a similar deal to what other young players were getting that summer any more than I can blame Treliving for giving it to him.

That was the flavour of the day.

Would be interesting to see if the Flames had the cap space to take him 8 years at that time if he would have signed it or pushed for the three year high exit year value contract.

Then you'd know he wanted out.

But I don't blame them for getting the leverage that was the flavour of the day at that time (Meier, Sergachev, Point, Boeser)

[cannon7]

Anyone here going to start calling Huberdeau Johnny?

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I watched them probably 60 plus games. The Panthers didn't have any options when Ekblad went down so they ran with him. What the stats don't tell you is the quality of the mistakes which were straight up awful at times. Someone said Brodie and that's a pretty good comparison.

Sometimes mistakes are based on playing with a new partner and not being in sync... both guys

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

And even in the worst case scenario, they can both be dealt for futures at the deadline if necessary. It’s a trade that has a Plan A and a Plan B built right into it.

There is almost no scenario where Brad walks into Darryl’s office at the deadline and says “hey, nice first place team you have there but I need to trade Huberdeau and Weeger for futures” and leaves the office alive. They need to either need to sign the guys this summer or move them for assets if they are going to get a longterm return on this trade.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

Haha!

This Panthers fan essentially predicted the trade a few days ago. (Skip forward to around 7:30)

https://youtu.be/2frK0ZUNIcA

Ha ha - that guy was very prescient - completely nailed the trade. Wizard GM material right there!

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Huberdeau gets you a slightly better return than Stone at the deadline I think. Probably a grade A prospect and a first.

And so far the return they got for Stone has been very underwhelming. I've always believed when you trade a star you need to get back at minimum a very solid piece who will likely be a solid contributor for several years and then a second piece that has good potential to put the deal over the top. Always go for quality over quantity. I don't want to see Tkachuk eventually turned into some past mid to late 1sts, some picks not in the top 10, some average prospects. So hopefully we have a Huberdeau extension this summer and everything else attached to the deal is gravy.

[CaptainCrunch]

This is an indication that the Flames still feel like they're in a possible Stanley Cup Window even if its short term.

That by bringing in another really good defenseman that they were unsatisfied with the Oilers series and addressed what happened when CT was hurt.

We could argue by bringing in Huberdeau and Weeger that they wanted to do an adjustment to the dressing room.

I absolutely believe that the Flames will try to get something done on the contract.

Getting a balanced contract of the now and the futures makes it a solid trade.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I watched them probably 60 plus games. The Panthers didn't have any options when Ekblad went down so they ran with him. What the stats don't tell you is the quality of the mistakes which were straight up awful at times. Someone said Brodie and that's a pretty good comparison.

What the problem with your post is that mistakes are the worst evaluation tool of a defenseman. Mistakes have the highest emotional weighting, and thus color our judgement harder than any other aspect of play.

You need more guys like Weegar and Brodie, not less.

My only concern about Weegar is skating, since your top four has to be able to skate with McDavid. I think the Kylington - Tanev pair should be kept intact regardless of anything else

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This doesn't even make sense, Gaudreau was gone...long gone before this deal

Flames are way better than they were yesterday

Yeah you can't judge this trade as having to fix losing Gaudreau for nothing.

That's not the bar.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

No bonus is included in cap

I assumed when I said “ I can’t resist “ everyone would know I was joking.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Saqe

This is it, even if neither guy re-signs they both can fetch a first round pick at the deadline.

So you're looking at three first round picks for Tkachuck which is excellent value.

The Flames have very little history of this and they are clearly in win now mode. I’m guessing something like Weegar signs and Huberdeau walks as a UFA or vice versa and the deal still looks ok.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Are they better than when they lost in round 2? If we're going to try and compete, that's all that matters

Not in judging this deal it doesn't.

Judging the team overall? Sure. Judging Treliving in the last few years? Sure.

But not this deal.

The Flames turned a jaded high asset into more asset value and optionality. It's just a pure and simple win for the hockey club.

Now what's next?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Sure but you ain’t getting anything good for Valimaki

Valimaki, 1st, and a time machine for Mark Stone

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

There is almost no scenario where Brad walks into Darryl’s office at the deadline and says “hey, nice first place team you have there but I need to trade Huberdeau and Weeger for futures” and leaves the office alive. They need to either need to sign the guys this summer or move them for assets if they are going to get a longterm return on this trade.

Now that is a very good point. I did not consider.

However I would rebut by saying if we are just a fringe playoff team at deadline it is likely Sutter relents and let's BT do what he needs to do.

BT needs to have a conversation with Sutter now. If the team looks good early in season and yet BT cannot re-sign Huberdeau he is going to have to let BT pull trigger on trade.

Even Sutter recognizes that you cannot trash the franchise when you have a golden moment to set it up better for a proper retool/rebuild once you realize you are staring down a dark pit of despair a few steps away otherwise.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Reading about it this morning, I'm absolutely pumped for this trade more than last night. Weegar seems legit, you only see him from an occasional big gaff but hopefully, a Sutter system can correct that. I wonder if he's our top blue liner now. Similar thoughts to the Hanifan trade, huge excitement than concern about the contract but I have to believe there is hope both can sign if needed.

That 1st is never going to be used by us so it's a great trade chip now and at the deadline.

[The Yen Man]

To all the 'team rebuild' guys, if Flames are able to extend Huberdeau and Weegar, do you not think this would be the new Flames playoff window? They would be another top 6 forward into being a true contender for another few years. I'd much rather that than be young guns 2.0.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

We could argue by bringing in Huberdeau and Weeger that they wanted to do an adjustment to the dressing room.

You could argue that, but it would be a mistake too.

Calgary absolutely wanted to run with Johnny and Tkachuk.

The “adjustment” was forced upon them.

It may well turn out just fine.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I watched them probably 60 plus games. The Panthers didn't have any options when Ekblad went down so they ran with him. What the stats don't tell you is the quality of the mistakes which were straight up awful at times. Someone said Brodie and that's a pretty good comparison.

There are some similarities to Brodie, at least as puck movers. But Weegar is WAY more physical than Brodie. Last season he threw 179 hits, compared with Brodie's 53. I see Weegar more as a Duncan Keith type, not as good as Keith in his prime, but a similar game all around.

Tanev-Weegar is going to be a scary good pairing if they both play like they did last season. That's our #1 pairing now, IMO.