[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Bratt+2nd+Foote+Tatar (if they went the Bratt route...I'd much rather start with Mercer)


I don't see anything with STL and Kyrou. He and Thomas have 1 last year of 2.8M (and ROR 1 yr to UFA) - I doubt they want to blow up their best remaining cap window.

Tarasenko still has a full NTC and I'd bet he's happy to stick around and hope for another PPG season...or accept a trade to somewhere that will extend him early. The rest of STL high AAVs have full NTC (except ROR and Buchnevich who has a 12 Team NTC...not what CGY needs anyways)


I think STL would have to be a complicated 3 team deal:

Spoiler!

To PIT: 6M in; 8.7M out
Tarasenko 50% retained via CGY (only $2.75M cash)
Barbashev (2.25M)

To CGY:
Neighbours
STL 1st (probably 2024 since they already don't have a 2nd in 2023)

Zucker (10 team NTC, but may be happy with higher TOI to rebuild value for next contract)
Kapanen
PIT 1st
Poehling
probably 1 more pick/prospect from PIT

To STL: 9.75M out; ~10ish in
Tkachuk
PIT 2nd

Complicated and I don't think it's quite there. Not sure it works for STL long term cap. They'd probably need to move Kyrou or Buchnevich the next summer.

Neighbours + 1st + 1st + Poehling is the main return; Kapanen probably turns into more assets sooner or later.

Jesus, that is f-ing gruesome! If that happened it might just be the final straw for me with this team.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I hope Matt has his metabolism

I hope that after the trade, he becomes Fatt Fatchuck

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Bratt strikes me as a Nik Hagman equivalent from the Phaneuf trade.

It's fine if you want to tack him on but center the trade around a proper future piece.

That can be Mercer, or the combo of a 1st and Holtz/Nemec.

I feel the same. Bratt is ok but shouldn't be the centerpiece just not enough track record.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by fleury

I hope BT takes the package with the highest possible draft pick chance. Having said that, I do wonder if Pittsburgh goes all in to help Crosby and try to get a legit top line guy. Mr. Truculence would love to help his team out and throw his old buddy a bone. I personally think the Pittsburgh team as a whole isn’t good, but if Burke would offer Kapanen, 2 1sts, and a 2nd round pick this year, I’d be tempted.

Burke did trade 2 1sts and a 2nd for Kessel with the Leafs. The draft picks ended up being Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

That package from NJ is atrocious……

Agree...which is why I wouldn't target Bratt.

I don't think very much will be added to either Kyrou or Bratt...but especially not Kyrou who has 1 sweetheart year at 2.8M.

Originally Posted by driveway

I'd ask for the following basic package, with examples from the Devils & Blues.

Very good young player (Bratt/Kyrou)
Highly-regarded prospect (Holtz/Neighbors)
2023 Unprotected 1st
Cap-dump player (Severson/Scandella)
Lesser Prospect or 2023 3rd (Walsh/Tucker)

FYI Severson is still NJD's #1D, despite what the paycheques say.

He's certainly better than Manson or Chiarot so he'll be worth a haul at TDL.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The weird thing with Nemec is the Marino trade. NJD's biggest immediate need (after G) was probably LHD, yet they traded LHD Ty Smith for RHD Marino.

Hamilton
Severson (1 to UFA)
Marino
Nemec

Perhaps they are really far apart on an extension with Severson and anticipate trading him? I could definitely see an RHD on the table...which one is probably contingent on a Severson extension or not.

NJD rumoured to be looking to move Severson. I expect they’d want to include him in any deal for Tkachuk. Not ideal for the Flames long-term, but in the short term RHD is sketchy until Tanev is healthy.

[FlamesAddiction]

I just hope that Treliving and whomever he is negotiating with keeps their cards close and that the Tkachuk camp doesn't hear of competing offers causing him to change what teams he will sign for. That would suck.

I am assuming now that offer sheets are off the table due to the arbitration, that other teams can't approach him any more either just to talk. Is that a safe assumption?

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Thats an oddly specific amount of info to fire off at a stranger you run into at Safeway.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jesus, that is f-ing gruesome! If that happened it might just be the final straw for me with this team.

Why do you ALWAYS have to be soooooo NEGATIVE!!!!

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Burke did trade 2 1sts and a 2nd for Kessel with the Leafs. The draft picks ended up being Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton

Yeah. I think there’s a chance Pittsburgh misses the playoffs. They’re aging and their prospects are mediocre.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Keith Tkachuk!

I see he was suspended at the start of a season briefly when he failed his physical?

When was he sat for a long period of time to get him to play ball?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just hope that Treliving and whomever he is negotiating with keeps their cards close and that the Tkachuk camp doesn't hear of competing offers causing him to change what teams he will sign for. That would suck.

I am assuming now that offer sheets are off the table due to the arbitration, that other teams can't approach him any more either just to talk. Is that a safe assumption?

I assume Tkachuk will say that since he is agreeing to sign a long term contract with a number of teams, he's free to talk to all of those teams to gauge their interest.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just hope that Treliving and whomever he is negotiating with keeps their cards close and that the Tkachuk camp doesn't hear of competing offers causing him to change what teams he will sign for. That would suck.

I am assuming now that offer sheets are off the table due to the arbitration, that other teams can't approach him any more either just to talk. Is that a safe assumption?

I would assume the opposite.
That if Tkachuk gave the team a list of places he would go to for a long term extension he would need the freedom to talk with those teams about the contract details.
Flames wont make a deal with a team that cannot come to an agreement with Tkachuk on a deal.

[SuperMatt18]

I don’t love the Kapanen, 2 1sts and a second trade at all.

Kapanen is not nearly on the same level as some of the other names being mentioned.

And if Pittsburgh has two good seasons then you’re trading Tkachuk for two picks in the 20-30 range.

At least with a piece like Bratt or Kyrou you know you’re getting at least one piece that’s young top 6 talent.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Why do you ALWAYS have to be soooooo NEGATIVE!!!!

It was a particularly bad proposal LOL.

[Geeoff]

I really like Jesper Bratt. I wouldn't hate him as part of a return for Tkachuk. Plus, he's Swedish, so he might actually like it here

Now, we would probably not finish last in the league if we acquired a productive player in the Tkachuk trade, so that may be considered a negative.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Bratt+2nd+Foote+Tatar (if they went the Bratt route...I'd much rather start with Mercer)

[/SPOILER]

If Mercer and Holtz are off the table, the Devils have to include their 2023 1st. I do think Foote is a piece to target. Probably the Devil’s best prospect after the big two of Holtz and Hughes - big, physical, good hands, NHL ready.

Bratt + Foote + Severson + 2023 1st. Could work for both teams.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don’t love the Kapanen, 2 1sts and a second trade at all.

Kapanen is not nearly on the same level as some of the other names being mentioned.

And if Pittsburgh has two good seasons then you’re trading Tkachuk for two picks in the 20-30 range.

At least with a piece like Bratt or Kyrou you know you’re getting at least one piece that’s young top 6 talent.

Oh, I should explain that I’d hope for a couple things:
1) Pittsburgh doesn’t make the playoffs
2) Kapanen or the following years’ first can be used to move up in the draft

Ideally for sure you’d want a partner who’s not in a position to make the playoffs.

[shogged]

If I’m St. Louis, Why do I wanna give up any assets at all when I know the guy wants to play for me?

[Scroopy Noopers]

I just assumed Bratt was American… didn’t realize he was a Swede. Nameism I guess. I’m on board now!