We should send them all 37 of our M777s and replace them with the US M109A6s. We need SPGs pretty badly in a modern battlefield. Add it to the list.
I actually considered this as a strategy. If ever there was a time to sell Ontario/BC/Quebec on upgrading the military with modern equipment, it would be now. Publicly send all of the old stuff to Ukraine, where it would be used (and is likely more modern than most of the current Russian equivalent) and then order the replacements.
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M777s will be fire further and way more accurately compared to the Russian artillery. US is also sending M982 GPS-guided shells to go with the howitzers. These will hit within 4m of the target. With the amount of drones the Ukrainians have flying around spotting, every round is going to hit.
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MOD and map updates for the day. Russian advances in the Donetsk area resulted the capture of the town of Lozova, SE of Izium as part of the wider Russian effort to encircle Ukrainian forces defending Kramatorsk. In the south heavy fighting in the Kherson area with Ukrainian forces repulsing a Russian push and apparently counter-attacking destroying a Russian command centre in the area. No other changes for today.
NATO allies and the German public are increasingly seeing Chancellor Olaf Scholz stalling of heavy weapons to Ukraine as irrational. Lt Colonel Vindman delivers a scathing criticism of the German governments position outlining all the reason why in a prime time interview with Deutsche Welle state television
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I have said this before and I will say it again, there is something very very dirty with regards to Germany and their position on this with regards to arms shipments and even more.
Germany has a really really bad historical reputation with regards to trying to appear to be following the rules, being the "clean" country, doing the right thing on the moral side of the ledger and than being caught with a lot of filth and a bad look side.
This goes back to many years ago and everything from the awful atrocities of WW2, the European financial crisis, the VW diesel scandal and a lot more. Time and time again they pretend to be one thing and than on the other side they are in some deep dodo.
What will happening in the near future with this situation and Germany will be very interesting.
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I have said this before and I will say it again, there is something very very dirty with regards to Germany and their position on this with regards to arms shipments and even more.
Germany has a really really bad historical reputation with regards to trying to appear to be following the rules, being the "clean" country, doing the right thing on the moral side of the ledger and than being caught with a lot of filth and a bad look side.
This goes back to many years ago and everything from the awful atrocities of WW2, the European financial crisis, the VW diesel scandal and a lot more. Time and time again they pretend to be one thing and than on the other side they are in some deep dodo.
What will happening in the near future with this situation and Germany will be very interesting.
It's also heavily rumored that Putin has countless billions stored in Deutsche bank, yet nothing of this is mentioned, with all the property and yacht seizures of high profile Russians, the super yacht Dilbar was seized at a Hamburg shipyard where it was undergoing a refit.
But, German authorities, who clarified that the yacht was not seized, but was covered by export control sanctions, meaning that it will not be able to leave Germany without special permission.
Talk about playing both sides!
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I have said this before and I will say it again, there is something very very dirty with regards to Germany and their position on this with regards to arms shipments and even more.
Germany has a really really bad historical reputation with regards to trying to appear to be following the rules, being the "clean" country, doing the right thing on the moral side of the ledger and than being caught with a lot of filth and a bad look side.
This goes back to many years ago and everything from the awful atrocities of WW2, the European financial crisis, the VW diesel scandal and a lot more. Time and time again they pretend to be one thing and than on the other side they are in some deep dodo.
What will happening in the near future with this situation and Germany will be very interesting.
Germans in general are heavily in favor of supporting Ukraine. It's only their government that's dragging it's feet, and more specifically chancellor Scholz.
I'm thinking that Scholz has to be very close to getting the boot.
Don't the M777s have a range that exceeds almost all of Russia's artillery?
No.
9A52-4 “Tornado”: up to 90km range
BM-30 “Smerch”: 70 to 90km range
2S7 “Pion”: 37.5 to 55km range
2S19 Msta: 45 to 62km range
2S35 “Koalitsiya-SV”: 40 to 80km range
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all I keep asking is you explain this statement. While you say you're 100% supporting Ukraine, you then say
Hard to support a country that does not support our values.
I'm still waiting for you to clarify the line in bold. If you 100% support Ukraine, it's odd that one sentence later say it's hard to support them.
That's my whole issue. you made a statement and I just want you to explain it.
To clarify for you.
When I said Ukraine does not support our values it is in reference to being able to join Nato for the past 30 years.
They could have but decided not to. They did not agree with our values.
Maybe a different word would have you understand what I am saying. Did not agree to Nato terms? They would be a member if they had agreed.
Finland and Sweden are the same in a way to Ukraine. You want to be part of Nato this is what we expect. I call them values, if you have a better word great.
If you want to be part of this coalition we expect this. They all declined to join. Not the people of these countries, the governments.
Yet we all sit back wondering why Ukraine never joined Nato.
I don’t hate Ukraine. Not a fan of their government for the past 30 years.
I am not a fan of Justin Trudeau. Bombardier scandels, SNC Lavelin, Jody Wilson, Blackface, and the emergency powers act he used. That does not mean I have a hatred for Canada. I am sure those that hate Jason Kenney still love Canada too.
NATO never seriously entertained allowing Ukraine to join; it would have simply been too risky given the relative instability (they've had 2 revolutions within the last 20 years and have had an active insurrection for almost a decade). NATO dangled the prospect of membership to Ukraine to keep them friendly and contain Russia's influence, but there's no way they were going to be a member anytime soon no matter how much they wanted to be.
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That's basically what it comes down to in simple terms.
Ukraine was not going to be offered membership to NATO.
Finland and Sweden chose (democratically) to not join NATO.
That is why the fallout of this will be so politically damaging to Putin, as he pretty much drove Finland and Sweden to alter their stance drastically amongst the general public. At the very least, I think that Finland joining is a sure thing at this point.
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My experience is actually that middleclass and educated people both in China and in other Global South emerging markets are far more informed and aware of what's going on in the West than middleclass and educated Westerners are about what's going on in the Global South. The disparity is really striking.
I can admit that I am woefully unaware of the things of which I have no awareness.
Are you open to enlightening me and others like me on this particular viewpoint by your experience?
Maybe a topic for a new thread? I’m always looking to learn
MOD and map updates for the day. Russian advances towards Kramatorsk have been repulsed by Ukrainian defenders in the east, though the Ukrainians have lost ground east of Izium. Ukrainians are mounting offensive operations east of Kharkiv in an attempt to cut off Russian supply lines in the area.
In the south there are reports Ukrainians have pushed back and recaptured several towns near Kherson though this has not been independently confirmed by multiple sources. Mariupol continue to hold out and have been resupplied by air Ukrainian helicopters though its unclear how long those supplies will last. Attempts were made to evac civilians from the city via a agreed humanitarian corridor, but Russians violated that agreement again. I really wonder what the point is if Russians are just going to violate the agreements every time.
Meanwhile, alternative methods that Russians appear to be trying to use follow old Soviet strategies for forceful relocations of Ukrainians to other parts of Russia while confiscating their documents and passports, a practice that violates international law. Russians confirmed 1M Ukrainians have been relocated to Eastern Russia based on according to the head of Russia's National Defense Centre . Russians appear to be using the same strategy to depopulate Ukrainians then set up a "referendum of independence" in Kherson.
Ukraine has repelled numerous Russian assaults along the line of contact in Donbas this week, a British military update said on Sunday.
Despite Russia making some territorial gains, Ukrainian resistance has been strong across all axes and inflicted a significant cost on Russian forces, the UK Ministry of Defence tweeted in a regular bulletin.
"Poor Russian morale and limited time to reconstitute, re-equip and reorganise forces from prior offensives are likely hindering Russian combat effectiveness," the update added.
