[News] UPD: VGK/ANA Dadonov deal voided by the NHL

[OptimalTates]

After they solve the Dadonov issue, I hope Kesler speaks up and also notes that Vegas was on his NTC just for ####s n giggles.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

After they solve the Dadonov issue, I hope Kesler speaks up and also notes that Vegas was on his NTC just for ####s n giggles.

That would make an awesome sound bite.

‘I refuse to not play for the Vegas Golden Knights. The only team I want to not play for is the Anaheim Ducks!’

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by Buff

Why do you have to be so rude?

Read the posters previous posts in this thread.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Read the posters previous posts in this thread.

No excuse to be a jerk.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Buff

No excuse to be a jerk.

I laughed.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Buff

It has been reported, by Friedman, that Vegas AND the NHL were told that there was no list submitted during the trade call between Ottawa and Vegas.

Yes, poor form on Vegas' part to not due their due diligence to verify with player and his agent or whomever parties are involved in the submission of these lists. If Ottawa can't/won't provide them the list at the time of the deadline and the NHL, the governing body, doesn't question it, then I can see why Vegas wouldn't have pushed the issue farther.

It was dumb of VGK to not nail down the NTC issues when acquiring the player, but it was really dumb to not double check it when trying to trade him.

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

The Feaster fiasco was on a more obscure part of the rule book...this is something that GMs deal with every day.

It blows my mind that they wouldn't have had a copy of the entire contract including an NTC/NMC. It's amateur hour and it reflects badly on OTT, VGK, and the NHL as a whole.

Ottawa was responsible for the NTC and should have ensured it was in the hands of the Vegas management, Vegas should have made sure that they knew what the entire contract was, and the NHL should have a registration process for these types of contracts.

The Feaster/ROR thing was also in season that missed several months due to a lockout, which is the only reason ROR played in Europe at all.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

The Feaster fiasco was on a more obscure part of the rule book...this is something that GMs deal with every day.

It blows my mind that they wouldn't have had a copy of the entire contract including an NTC/NMC. It's amateur hour and it reflects badly on OTT, VGK, and the NHL as a whole.

Ottawa was responsible for the NTC and should have ensured it was in the hands of the Vegas management, Vegas should have made sure that they knew what the entire contract was, and the NHL should have a registration process for these types of contracts.

Even getting an analyst to keep tabs and download capfriendly information and compare it to existing contracts and the team database.

Complete no brainer.

"Hey Dadonov has a NTC clause. Did we know that when we acquired him?"

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The whole thing seems weird to me. I guess I always assumed that when a trade is filed and approved by the league, all accompanying paperwork would have to be filed with it, including no-trade lists.

Perhaps it's intentional that no-trade-lists are not submitted to the NHL?

While I'm sure agents and the like leak it often enough, if not players themselves (not Dadonov of his agent though..), I could see why a Canadian hockey player like Crosby for example doesn't want to have to answer as to why he has a 7 team no-trade-list that includes all 7 Canadian teams. I could see why Pittsburgh wouldn't want to disclose that to Colorado if Sakic is afraid Treliving was targeting Crosby at the deadline as well.

I mean even Iginla 'snubbing' the Bruins (with his full NTC) made the third round of the playoffs that year a story when the Bruins played the Penguins.


Or the NHL has just assumed that when a player is traded and his contract moved the acquiring team would check all clauses and do some minor due diligence like asking if Dadonov did submit his trade list to his agent or the player himself. Sometimes things are just so absurd you don't think about it and make rules around it, then all of a sudden you got a dog playing basketball. It happens.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Is there documentation somewhere that says he’s not okay with it?

Yes. That’s how the whole issue arose. But it’s also obvious - if he was willing to waive there’d be no dispute.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ork-correctly/

Dadonov, though, was adamant that the no-trade list was filed properly -- which would render his acquisition by the Ducks ineligible to be completed -- and the deal became an NHL/NHLPA issue instead of a team-based problem.

The funny thing is the article says his cap hit deletion is necessary to release Martinez from LTIR, which I think should be two separate things. If Martinez is healthy he should just be off. Vegas should just no longer be compliant.

[FanIn80]

Shocking that a team in Las Vegas, Nevada owned (in part) by casino money would play fast and loose with the rules.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes. That’s how the whole issue arose. But it’s also obvious - if he was willing to waive there’d be no dispute.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ork-correctly/

Dadonov, though, was adamant that the no-trade list was filed properly -- which would render his acquisition by the Ducks ineligible to be completed -- and the deal became an NHL/NHLPA issue instead of a team-based problem.

The funny thing is the article says his cap hit deletion is necessary to release Martinez from LTIR, which I think should be two separate things. If Martinez is healthy he should just be off. Vegas should just no longer be compliant.

According to wikipedia:

Teams found to have violated the cap face fines of up to US$5 million, cancellation of contracts, loss of draft picks, loss of points and/or forfeiture of game(s) determined to have been affected by the violation of the cap.

So technically, shouldn't Vegas now be fined and lose some draft picks? If Martinez is healthy, how can he stay on LTIR?

[Major Major]

I have no problems with teams taking advantage of LTIR for cap relief when they check all the boxes and keep their affairs in order, but if you're strolling too close to the sun and trip over your own untied shoelace and fall face first into the sun, let the mother burn.

I don't see any way the league can't let Vegas deal with the full consequences of their own negligence here. This is as bad as the Blackhawks fax guffaw and should be dealt with in the same manor for McCrimmon.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes. That’s how the whole issue arose. But it’s also obvious - if he was willing to waive there’d be no dispute.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ork-correctly/

Dadonov, though, was adamant that the no-trade list was filed properly -- which would render his acquisition by the Ducks ineligible to be completed -- and the deal became an NHL/NHLPA issue instead of a team-based problem.

The funny thing is the article says his cap hit deletion is necessary to release Martinez from LTIR, which I think should be two separate things. If Martinez is healthy he should just be off. Vegas should just no longer be compliant.

Absolutely....and the league/PA need to figure this out NOW as if there are possible forfeitures or point reductions because of this...then the clubs around the wc and pacific races need to know and plan things out accordingly.

[Knut]

Martinez was back in a full jersey 3 weeks ago.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Perhaps it's intentional that no-trade-lists are not submitted to the NHL?

While I'm sure agents and the like leak it often enough, if not players themselves (not Dadonov of his agent though..), I could see why a Canadian hockey player like Crosby for example doesn't want to have to answer as to why he has a 7 team no-trade-list that includes all 7 Canadian teams. I could see why Pittsburgh wouldn't want to disclose that to Colorado if Sakic is afraid Treliving was targeting Crosby at the deadline as well.

I mean even Iginla 'snubbing' the Bruins (with his full NTC) made the third round of the playoffs that year a story when the Bruins played the Penguins.


Or the NHL has just assumed that when a player is traded and his contract moved the acquiring team would check all clauses and do some minor due diligence like asking if Dadonov did submit his trade list to his agent or the player himself. Sometimes things are just so absurd you don't think about it and make rules around it, then all of a sudden you got a dog playing basketball. It happens.

I'm not saying the NHL runs the tightest ship, but I doubt many granular detail leaks come out of there. The most I can imagine is that Friedman-types might have contacts they use to confirm the validity of details they already have on information that is inevitably going to become public.

[Bingo]

Did Vegas come out and proclaim Martinez as healthy after they made the trade?

[taxbuster]

Does the NHL not examine every player contract to ensure that it fits within the CBA (and its own) rules? If so...they knew that Dadonov at least had the potential of an NTC...and should have followed up on the NTC either being waived, if submitted, or ignored if not submitted.

I just don't see a middle ground here.

[powderjunkie]

From the Gio thread:

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Gio was pure class when dealing with NTC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1506000575111962624

While I'm not sure we can consider Francis an authority on GMing, his wording is a bit interesting. I suspect he just wanted to make sure Gio didn't have a last minute change of heart that quashed a potential deal, but it would be interesting to know how much variation there is in NTC contract language.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Does the NHL not examine every player contract to ensure that it fits within the CBA (and its own) rules? If so...they knew that Dadonov at least had the potential of an NTC...and should have followed up on the NTC either being waived, if submitted, or ignored if not submitted.

Is this potentially not what happened? They had 30+ trades, 50+ players moving yesterday.

It was insiders and then the two teams that announced the trades, not the NHL, right? Is there not potential that Dadonov got wind of the trade before the NHL had approved the trade as they were still dotting the is and crossing the ts and here we are now?

Also, how did the Heatley non-trade work? It was confirmed to be Smid, Penner, Cogliano, and then Healtey refused to waive. Was a fax ever sent in that trade?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Did Vegas come out and proclaim Martinez as healthy after they made the trade?

Not exactly.

Along with Dadonov, the Knights were set to include a conditional second-round draft pick in 2024 for defenseman John Moore and the contract of injured forward Ryan Kesler.

The move was expected to provide the Knights additional salary cap flexibility, as general manager Kelly McCrimmon said he expected injured forward Mark Stone, defenseman Alec Martinez and goaltender Robin Lehner to return during the regular season.

So healthy now? No....... but certainly hinting all guys are close considering they only have 19 games left,

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports...rough-2548930/