[News] UPD: VGK/ANA Dadonov deal voided by the NHL

[Shazam]

Meh they’re all operating under good faith. Deal will go through.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Meh they’re all operating under good faith. Deal will go through.

So screw Dadonov and his rights under the contract?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So screw Dadonov and his rights under the contract?

Is he okay with it?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Is he okay with it?

No, that's the entire issue.

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Kesler's contract has no value at all. The cap relief in this bungled trade was not from adding Kesler, it was from subtracting Dadonov.

It's quite obvious that the Golden Knights have made a colossal mess of this. If anybody still wants to maintain that they are masterminds plotting a foolproof way to circumvent the cap with the league's connivance, I shall now feel free to point and laugh.

Remember Hanlon's Razor: ‘Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.’ Vegas got greedy and stupid and it is now biting them on the arse.



Again, LTIR contracts have no value. If you add a $7-million player on LTIR, he counts $7 million against your cap, but your cap is temporarily raised by $7 million to acquire a replacement player. The two numbers cancel out.

Right... that makes sense.

Makes you wonder why Anaheim included the Kesler contract then, unless there is some actual cash payment owed to Kesler somehow. If it has no value, why throw it in?

Either way though, I agree this is entirely on Vegas. Unless Ottawa knowingly and intentionally misled Vegas when the made the trade last summer, in which case Vegas should have turned this up then, not now at the trade deadline. You'd think that is one of the first things they would have asked the agent and/or the player - "tell us about this 10 team no trade list... who's on it? Still valid?" etc. The fact they don't know what the contract they are paying contains is their own idiocy.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

I thought that Kesler's contract being traded to the Knights in this would have been only so that it relieves the Ducks from having to pay the actual dollar amount and does not affect the salary cap situation of either team. Sort of a favor for getting the knights out of a jam with the cap.

Is there more to this?

Vegas is using LTIR, so my understanding is when you’re using LTIR in order to maximize the cap relief the closer you are to the salary cap upper limit the better. Kesler essentially helps them with the cap to insert players in the lineup as the come back from injury.

Yeah they take Kesler’s paycheque, but Anaheim gets a contract for next year and Vegas loses one.

[calumniate]

Get er' done Feaster! Hehe

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Meh they’re all operating under good faith. Deal will go through.

Good faith between Anaheim and Vegas has no significance with respect to the NTC that Dadonov negotiated with Ottawa and is legally entitled to, as he was not party to the negotiations between the VGK and the Ducks. If it worked that way, Kadri would be a Flame.

[GioforPM]

I suppose if Ottawa misled Vegas, Vegas could argue the 2021 trade should be voided and Ottawa takes Dadonov back. Holden goes back to Vegas with the 2nd rounder. Legally I think that’s pretty tenuous since the players both played for the new teams.

Generally on these things the law looks to punish the innocent the least. Which would be Dadonov. The others made mistakes or outright lied. I’m betting wires got crossed between Ottawa and Vegas because the list just didn’t apply anyway.

[Eric Vail]

It looks to me that when Vegas looked at his contract and it said that he had a 10 team no trade list that was submitted before July 1, they should have called Ottawa and requested the list. They could have also called the agent and asked him about the list.

It appears Vegas simply assumed that no list was submitted and went ahead with the deal.

The deal should be voided.

[Snuffleupagus]

I wonder if this has gone thru, Dadonov is now listed as a Duck and Kesler as a Knight on CF, it wasn't the case late last night.

[FlamesAddiction]

The whole thing seems weird to me. I guess I always assumed that when a trade is filed and approved by the league, all accompanying paperwork would have to be filed with it, including no-trade lists.

It seems dumb that Ottawa and Vegas could have made the trade and it was approved without Ottawa also having to provide that information to the league to show that the clause wasn't violated. Just like how Vegas and Anaheim were able to get a deal approved by the league without doing the same. The whole process seems to be way more lax than it should be. I agree that Vegas, the team that owned the contract should have known the details of the clause and done their due diligence, but the league approving the deal without questioning it seems equally as dumb.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

It looks to me that when Vegas looked at his contract and it said that he had a 10 team no trade list that was submitted before July 1, they should have called Ottawa and requested the list. They could have also called the agent and asked him about the list.

It appears Vegas simply assumed that no list was submitted and went ahead with the deal.

The deal should be voided.

It has been reported, by Friedman, that Vegas AND the NHL were told that there was no list submitted during the trade call between Ottawa and Vegas.

Yes, poor form on Vegas' part to not due their due diligence to verify with player and his agent or whomever parties are involved in the submission of these lists. If Ottawa can't/won't provide them the list at the time of the deadline and the NHL, the governing body, doesn't question it, then I can see why Vegas wouldn't have pushed the issue farther.

[Bingo]

In light of the Feaster fiasco and other issues in the past how does the league and every team not have a tight checklist of due diligence for every transaction they look at.

Insane.

Does the player have any trade or movement protection isn't exactly out of left field as a concern in trading a player.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by old-fart

Right... that makes sense.

Makes you wonder why Anaheim included the Kesler contract then, unless there is some actual cash payment owed to Kesler somehow. If it has no value, why throw it in?

I imagine it is an issue about the actual cash owed to Kesler. Basically, Vegas was paying money to the Ducks as part of the trade, but doing it in a way that doesn't technically violate the CBA.

Trouble is, there's never just one technicality. They're like land mines. The Knights sidestepped one, but landed on another and went boom. They'd have been wiser to stay out of the minefield in the first place.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Bingo

In light of the Feaster fiasco and other issues in the past how does the league and every team not have a tight checklist of due diligence for every transaction they look at.

Insane.

Does the player have any trade or movement protection isn't exactly out of left field as a concern in trading a player.

The Feaster fiasco was on a more obscure part of the rule book...this is something that GMs deal with every day.

It blows my mind that they wouldn't have had a copy of the entire contract including an NTC/NMC. It's amateur hour and it reflects badly on OTT, VGK, and the NHL as a whole.

Ottawa was responsible for the NTC and should have ensured it was in the hands of the Vegas management, Vegas should have made sure that they knew what the entire contract was, and the NHL should have a registration process for these types of contracts.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, that's the entire issue.

Is there documentation somewhere that says he’s not okay with it?

[ben voyonsdonc]

If he was ok with it, he'd have waived his NTC for them when it came to light.

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Is there documentation somewhere that says he’s not okay with it?

Are you slow?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Are you slow?

Why do you have to be so rude?