Russia invades Ukraine

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Locke

Once again, for the umpteenth time in 2 years the World has been given a warning about sovereign self-sufficiency in independence.

Be it Energy, Medical equipment and supply, vaccines, fuel and now food.

I cant imagine why anyone would think we'd take this warning seriously while we've ignored all the others.

Rolling back globalization may seem attractive at times like this. But allowing states to specialize and buy and sell across borders is one of the cornerstones of our affluence. Put up tariffs and barriers to trade (which is the alternative to the market) and everything will cost more, including energy, food, and clothing.

And when it comes to food, most countries in the world simply aren’t capable of being self-sufficient.

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[CroFlames]

I hate videos like that lol. Make me cringe so hard.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Ukraine should formally ask China for military equipment and aid to maintain their territorial integrity from a foreign aggressor

Ukraine has nothing to lose, and China might actually tell Putin that this is putting them in an uncomfortable position so get the #### out of Ukraine.

Added a little to your post.

China's military policy is all about maintaining territorial integrity from foreign (US, Japan, India) aggression.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Will this finally be the last straw to take the mic back from the anti-GMO anti-pipeline axe wielding enviro nutcases?

They sure got lots of air time when food was plentiful and gas was cheap. Doubt they'll be getting as much sympathy to spout nonsense on Germany or evil agriculture companies now that what they were warned about is happening.

Almost every source in the world references 1/3 of food produced is wasted globally.

Why do we need to bring GMO into this argument? Volume of food is, by all accounts, not the issue with putting it in peoples stomachs.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Rolling back globalization may seem attractive at times like this. But allowing states to specialize and buy and sell across borders is one of the cornerstones of our affluence. Put up tariffs and barriers to trade (which is the alternative to the market) and everything will cost more, including energy, food, and clothing.

And when it comes to food, most countries in the world simply aren’t capable of being self-sufficient.

There are alternatives as well though, and I'm not talking about isolation or 'turning off' any taps, simply being able to put a dent in National demand with domestic supply so when external supply has shortages we arent totally screwed.

We could do this with food. We have enough farmland.

We could do this with energy. We have the resources.

We could do this with medical supplies. We have the manufacturing ability.

We simply choose not to.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Rolling back globalization may seem attractive at times like this. But allowing states to specialize and buy and sell across borders is one of the cornerstones of our affluence. Put up tariffs and barriers to trade (which is the alternative to the market) and everything will cost more, including energy, food, and clothing.

And when it comes to food, most countries in the world simply aren’t capable of being self-sufficient.

Canadians who hate globalism have no self awareness. After 1670 not a single colonial moved to North America before global trade networks were established. We have been dependent on global goods since before settlement. There is a reason trade posts were the first on the frontier.

Want to be more self sufficient? Grow a garden. Want to eliminate global trade? Build a time machine.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Canadians who hate globalism have no self awareness. After 1670 not a single colonial moved to North America before global trade networks were established. We have been dependent on global goods since before settlement. There is a reason trade posts were the first on the frontier.

Want to be more self sufficient? Grow a garden. Want to eliminate global trade? Build a time machine.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, should want to 'Eliminate Global Trade.'

Not only is it a pipe dream, its counter-productive. Global Trade is amazing.

I'm simply saying we shouldnt be critically dependent upon it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

Nobody, and I mean nobody, should want to 'Eliminate Global Trade.'

Not only is it a pipe dream, its counter-productive. Global Trade is amazing.

I'm simply saying we shouldnt be critically dependent upon it.

Global trade is fantastic. What Canada should be striving for is being less dependent on places like Russia, Saudi Arabia, and China for global trade. By buying Russian oil, we've literally been financing the invasion of Ukraine.

If anything, Canada should be investing in production to increase our global trade. Preferably, Canada should be diversifying from petrol products.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Locke

Nobody, and I mean nobody, should want to 'Eliminate Global Trade.'

Not only is it a pipe dream, its counter-productive. Global Trade is amazing.

I'm simply saying we shouldnt be critically dependent upon it.

I am guilty of making you a straw man.

All the same. Canada has never not since the first European not been 100% reliant on global trade. From the 1880s into 1920s they had large tariffs in hopes of protecting (eastern) Canadian industry, But the reality was that it hammered western Canadian consumers and producers, and entirely failed to create any sort of manufacturing outside of the Maritimes and great lakes.

My point still stands, Canada exists as a product of the global market. It is very difficult to undo 400 years. If change is going to happen it has to happen at a consumer level.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I am guilty of making you a straw man.

All the same. Canada has never not since the first European not been 100% reliant on global trade. From the 1880s into 1920s they had large tariffs in hopes of protecting (eastern) Canadian industry, But the reality was that it hammered western Canadian consumers and producers, and entirely failed to create any sort of manufacturing outside of the Maritimes and great lakes.

My point still stands, Canada exists as a product of the global market. It is very difficult to undo 400 years. If change is going to happen it has to happen at a consumer level.

You shall be air-dropped into Kiev as penance.

I agree generally, but we can be more self-sufficient in some key areas is principally all I'm getting at.

And you're right, it has to happen at a consumer level, but we also need to be guided by Government.

We've tried to be more independent but we as a Country fought it tooth and nail because nobody stood up and said:

"No. This is for the good of the Country. Regardless of whether you like it or not."

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Locke

You shall be air-dropped into Kiev as penance.

I agree generally, but we can be more self-sufficient in some key areas is principally all I'm getting at.

And you're right, it has to happen at a consumer level, but we also need to be guided by Government.

We've tried to be more independent but we as a Country fought it tooth and nail because nobody stood up and said:

"No. This is for the good of the Country. Regardless of whether you like it or not."

That's not true. PET tried to make Canada energy independent and stood up and said "This is for the good of the Country. Regardless of whether you like it or not" and was demonized for it and is the worst PM according to most of western Canada because of it.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Unreal. Bombing a maternity hospital.

Do these ####ing pyscho russians not consider for a moment the evil they're doing in the name of a mad man?

Many don't know. I mean, you have to go looking for this stuff if you're over there, it's not being broadcast to you. And if someone attempted to broadcast it at this point, they'd go to prison for years.

[CroFlames]

I think everyone here is probably in agreement that Canada should be more energy independent and food independent not to isolate ourselves from the world, but to be a partner in sustainable and responsible food & energy production for democratic nations. This would make us a bigger player in global trade, which is better for everyone.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by belsarius

That's not true. PET tried to make Canada energy independent and stood up and said "This is for the good of the Country. Regardless of whether you like it or not" and was demonized for it and is the worst PM according to most of western Canada because of it.

I think about this too often lol. Though, in the alternate reality where the NEP goes 100% according to plan and there are more refineries converting albertan heavy to refined products in Quebec, we may be under a catholic-conservative oil ethnostate as the Quebec voters align with the rural Alberta/prairie voters to ensure further resource development AND conserve their mutual religious social leanings.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by speede5

Isn't he already the world's enemy? isn't he already being backed into a corner?

I'm no expert at all in global politics and where the line is. It just crossed my mind that there is the potential for nuclear attacks that wouldn't cause a full scale nuclear war. I agree it would not help his cause but does a madman really care?

No, not completely. China, India, Pakistan, Iran, etc. either support him or are staying on the sidelines and not participating in sanctions. If he goes nuclear then I would expect unanimous condemnation, but even then I doubt it would be 100%.

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[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by edslunch

No, not completely. China, India, Pakistan, Iran, etc. either support him or are staying on the sidelines and not participating in sanctions. If he goes nuclear then I would expect unanimous condemnation, but even then I doubt it would be 100%.

Russia - uniting Pakistan and India.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Hard to judge that woman. She didn't help Russians take the city. The city fell long ago. What is she supposed to do now? Throw a Molotov at nearby tank and get killed on the spot. Remaining citizens need some kind of mayor to somewhat restore life. If she's genuinely trying to do it, what's wrong?

updated response.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/europ...ntl/index.html

Ukraine's prosecutor general has opened a treason investigation into Galina Danilchenko, the newly installed mayor of Russian-occupied Melitopol in southeastern Ukraine, after the city's elected mayor, Ivan Fedorov, was arrested by armed men on Friday.

The city council accused Danilchenko -- who is a former member of the city council, according to the Zaporizhzhia regional administration's website -- of dissolving the city government and transferring its powers to a People's Deputies Committee.

Danilchenko declared herself the local leader and immediately said in a televised address Sunday that "Russian TV channels" would begin broadcasting in the city, which has been occupied by Russia since the first days of the invasion.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Locke

I agree generally, but we can be more self-sufficient in some key areas is principally all I'm getting at.



And you're right, it has to happen at a consumer level, but we also need to be guided by Government.

This is bang on.

You can take steps to secure your supply chain and not be against globalization. Those two concepts are not mutually exclusive.