Any chance Putin gets frustrated and drops a nuke or two on kviv or another Ukrainian city just to drop the hammer and end this resistance? I can’t see that triggering any sort of nuclear retaliation.
Zero chance. Would make him the world's enemy instantly and it's a huge red line. Plus, how does he push his liberating from fascist scenario, of he's coming an act of genocide?
Zero chance. Would make him the world's enemy instantly and it's a huge red line. Plus, how does he push his liberating from fascist scenario, of he's coming an act of genocide?
Isn't he already the world's enemy? isn't he already being backed into a corner?
I'm no expert at all in global politics and where the line is. It just crossed my mind that there is the potential for nuclear attacks that wouldn't cause a full scale nuclear war. I agree it would not help his cause but does a madman really care?
Isn't he already the world's enemy? isn't he already being backed into a corner?
I'm no expert at all in global politics and where the line is. It just crossed my mind that there is the potential for nuclear attacks that wouldn't cause a full scale nuclear war. I agree it would not help his cause but does a madman really care?
If it did happen, I think they would target a western Ukrainian city like Lviv or Lutsk. Kiev has a lot of lore within the Russian zeitgeist and they view western Ukraine as more of a throw-away part of the country. It would also target fewer Russian speakers and put the nuclear fallout on the steps of Poland rather than Russia, and it would target an area that would be more difficult to occupy conventionally.
It's terrible to think about and is so remote of a possibility that it is just hypothetical, but I guess you never know with Putin.
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Russian handcuffed himself to the entrance of McDonald's and addresses Western countries... tells them they need to realize that the sanctions affect the lives of ordinary people. "Why must we give up our habits?"
Please don't be a fat guy. Please don't be a fat guy. Please don't be a fat guy.
I feel his pain (mostly the knees) but sanctions are really the only tool we have right now, and as they go on hopefully they'll inspire more people to protest Putin.
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Russian handcuffed himself to the entrance of McDonald's and addresses Western countries... tells them they need to realize that the sanctions affect the lives of ordinary people. "Why must we give up our habits?"
Please don't be a fat guy. Please don't be a fat guy. Please don't be a fat guy.
I feel his pain (mostly the knees) but sanctions are really the only tool we have right now, and as they go on hopefully they'll inspire more people to protest Putin.
Agree, who cares that the sanctions are affecting the lives of ordinary Russians.
You know what else is affecting the lives of ordinary people? Bombing the s#@t out of Ukraine and killing innocent people.
A friend had this opinion. Why punish young hockey players? Again, who cares if Vladdy Russian can't play in the world juniors. The young Ukrainian that is dead will never play anything again.
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Sanctions are meant to act as a deterrent to behaviour and/or as encouragement to cease the unwanted action, in this case invasion, and hopefully spur change.
They are not meant to be revenge for actions already taken.
Although I would agree I have little sympathy for Russians negatively affected by the sanctions.
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Sanctions are meant to act as a deterrent to behaviour and/or as encouragement to cease the unwanted action, in this case invasion, and hopefully spur change.
They are not meant to be revenge for actions already taken.
Although I would agree I have little sympathy for Russians negatively affected by the sanctions.
I am just not sure they work. Screwing the oligarchs should be enough to get somebody in his close circle to take some action. Screwing the little guy, well, what do you gat? Cuba? North Korea?
I watched this forty-five minute interview with journalist, Julia Ioffe, who was born in Russia and has covered the nation extensively. PBS interviewed her as part of their upcoming Frontline documentary "Putin's Road to War".
The part that was the most chilling to me was her opinion that Putin has no way out. He's being humiliated by who he's referred to as "little Russians" (Ukrainians) and she suggests that he knows if he does not win, it ends with a bullet between his eyes. The result is that he will reduce Ukraine to a "fine ash", and that the West should fully accept his willingness to use nuclear weapons.
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China can't be that stupid to supply Russia anything. That would instant undo the 40 years of economic progress they've achieved. Over what? Ukraine?
I read some speculation in the NY Times that suggested China is actually a little angry at Russia because while they knew there would be military action in Ukraine, they were lied to about the magnitude and scope of the operation. They could be trying to support Russia when it comes to optics, but internally they are pretty irritated by the situation and being mislead.
I think the West needs to be careful how they handle this if there is indeed some current resistance within China's government regarding Putin's actions. They don't want to chase China away if there is a chance to cooperate on this.
I read that Western leaders are "warning" China about repercussions for undermining the sanctions, but I doubt they respond well to that kind of approach. The CCP is pretty insecure about how they look so open threats are probably not going to be productive.
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China can't be that stupid to supply Russia anything. That would instant undo the 40 years of economic progress they've achieved. Over what? Ukraine?
Quite the opposite. You think the west could manage any sanctions against China? If we shut off that tap, our ‘industry’ is crippled beyond measure. Russia supplies energy, sure. China supplies everything we need to make, maintain, and create almost everything. I don’t see a situation where this level of sanctions against Russia could ever be implemented against China.
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My guess is China would want to jump on this as their opportunity to take on the role of world leader by negotiating peace, it also allows them to humiliate Russia, theirs no love lost between them historically
MOD map updates for the day. Not a whole lot of movement on the map today. Overnight Russia launched a number of cruise missile strikes into western Ukrainian military bases where weapons were being transferred and processed to troops going to the front and new recruits were being trained. Naval blockade sparking fears this is a prelude for an amphibious landing at Odessa. https://twitter.com/user/status/1502957751831511044 https://twitter.com/user/status/1503120744280170501
Quite the opposite. You think the west could manage any sanctions against China? If we shut off that tap, our ‘industry’ is crippled beyond measure. Russia supplies energy, sure. China supplies everything we need to make, maintain, and create almost everything. I don’t see a situation where this level of sanctions against Russia could ever be implemented against China.
China depends on constant economic growth to get social license to basically spy on every citizen.
They can’t tip that apple cart. The US can go into recession but if China does, it probably scares their leadership more than anything.
So not saying your wrong, but the danger to them of a world boycott after the news shows Chinese make bomb fragments probably warrants a second or third thought.
Ya, China is 0% interested in intervening in any way. This is Russia's mess and China wants no part of it. For or against.
..... That is unless there is risk of Nuclear Mischief. That is bad for business, and the Chinese would be very motivated to keep things from escalating to that.
