Russia invades Ukraine

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I was kind of wondering about this earlier, what do we do when this is violated?

If we had any fighter jets we could escort them out of our airspace. Not really sure there is anything we can do. We can fine them and then never collect unless an American airport grounds them until the fine is paid. It's really a difficult situation as anything that could be construed as aggression towards a civilian plane on or over North America invites more problems

[kn]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1498168377931665413

Original article is behind a paywall. Apparently they are run by one of Putin's friends; mercenaries were flown in from Africa and offered bonuses.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Can we bring this to Canada please? From CNBC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1498133260941111298

They should do that in Canada, but also places like Greece, Turkey, Spain, Italy, and Montenegro, not to mention the U.S.

I am sure Russia Oligarchs own properties in those countries.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Portioning a country from the outside never ends well. They would need to partition themselves along whatever natural ethnic or regional fault lines there are in the society, if any. Even then it would likely require a civil war.

Like I said, two big reason it wont happen.

But if you're asking the best way to make sure we don't push Russia back only to go through this cycle all over again in the next 30 years. many smaller weaker Russias would be the simple solution

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by #-3

Like I said, two big reason it wont happen.

But if you're asking the best way to make sure we don't push Russia back only to go through this cycle all over again in the next 30 years. many smaller weaker Russias would be the simple solution

No, it wouldn’t.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They should do that in Canada, but also places like Greece, Turkey, Spain, Italy, and Montenegro, not to mention the U.S.

I am sure Russia Oligarchs own properties in those countries.

Israel. Lots of Russian cash in Israel too

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Chingas

If we had any fighter jets we could escort them out of our airspace. Not really sure there is anything we can do. We can fine them and then never collect unless an American airport grounds them until the fine is paid. It's really a difficult situation as anything that could be construed as aggression towards a civilian plane on or over North America invites more problems

US embassy in Moscow asked all US citizens in Russia to fly back home. Those Moscow-NY and Moscow-Miami flights are mostly US citizens coming back. Don't sweat too much over it.

[dino7c]

this Putin's a bit of a jerk

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by dino7c

this Putin's a bit of a jerk

That’s Putin’ it lightly

[Huntingwhale]

Don't have much to update on my wife's situation today except my heart is so heavy for her and her family right now. Once again the 4th or 5th night in a row of barely any sleep. She didn't even know what day today was when she called. Explosions, shellings, gunfire non stop all night. She's too afraid to sleep with earplugs in case something happens. Asked her to use them during the day if it quiets down a bit to try and get some rest. Sometimes I don't even know if she understands my words anymore. I see she has lost hope. I ask her how the rest of her family is and she just shakes her head without responding. It's bad.

There was gunfire at the food store 2 blocks from her apartment. She think that the Russian soldiers are ransacking the stores and possibly came across some residence. She saw the news of the nukes heading to Belarus. ####ing great.

They are slowly being starved. No new food arrivals. Lootings and shootings at the food store. They have a small storage of preservatives. But for 6 people it will be gone soon. Now reports of Russians troops firing on civilians all over the country. #### sakes.

Don't even have words anymore for how depressing, upsetting, disgusting, this entire situation is. Just hoping each hour of each day we hear the news of a ceasefire or Putin dead.

[kn]

My thoughts and prayers for your wife and family, Huntingwhale.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Pointman

US embassy in Moscow asked all US citizens in Russia to fly back home. Those Moscow-NY and Moscow-Miami flights are mostly US citizens coming back. Don't sweat too much over it.

Uhhh... except this flight was flying TO Moscow...... too much Putin tv ?

This flight should have been escorted by Canadian jets to a airport and the Company /pilots punished .

[curves2000]

This massive convey that stretches 5+ km's including an insane amount of weapons and equipment and this face to face meeting is interesting. The timing seems to be lining up that this next day or two will be vital for both parties.

If we get into a situation where Russia starts attacking and killing large volumes of civilians with these nasty weapons, how can the west just sit back and watch it happen live on TV and on social media?

This news and the news that Belarus is looking at joining the fight , Putin's rhetoric and more, I still don't see how western countries don't get involved in some capacity.

I really hope some assistance and support, weapons and more arrive quickly today from the west.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by curves2000

This massive convey that stretches 5+ km's including an insane amount of weapons and equipment and this face to face meeting is interesting. The timing seems to be lining up that this next day or two will be vital for both parties.

If we get into a situation where Russia starts attacking and killing large volumes of civilians with these nasty weapons, how can the west just sit back and watch it happen live on TV and on social media?

This news and the news that Belarus is looking at joining the fight , Putin's rhetoric and more, I still don't see how western countries don't get involved in some capacity.

I really hope some assistance and support, weapons and more arrive quickly today from the west.

I think that's why countries have these volunteer programs In place that allows their citizens to go as private citizens and how ukraine has set up a "foreign volunteer " program . IMO the west is setting up huge loopholes to get troops in but just not having " official " support . Timings of these "loopholes" coupled with the assistance financial aid/ weapon drops . IMO the west will be fighting this war on the ground unofficially but keeping the claim we are not unless putin steps into Nato territory.

It's smart IMO . The west "volunteers"can bolster ground troops and the west can officially deny involvement so any escalation is put in Putins lap for fault.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Uhhh... except this flight was flying TO Moscow...... too much Putin tv ?

This flight should have been escorted by Canadian jets to a airport and the Company /pilots punished .

A plane that serves Moscow-US route needs to fly back to Moscow, doesn't it?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

https://twitter.com/user/status/1497999348117999616

Translated Tweet:

Bayraktari at work. Our operators are jeweling columns of enemy troops. The Russian beech in the area of Raspberry of the Zhytomyr region was destroyed. Fear, enemies! There will be no peace for you on our earth!

Who not paint a Ukraine flag on some Reapers and hire Ukraine video gamers to pilot them? would be something if a few 18 years took out Putins army from a basement.

[combustiblefuel]

I'm a total night owl even tho I work a steady 9 to 5 job. Reports I'm seeing tonight am here pm there .

There's to many links to each topic but if you copy and paste the topics in Google you get a good comprehensive list.

Delegations meeting . Ukraine wants nothing less than a full retreat and Russia a full surrender.

Moscow stock exchange will be closed all day monday

Moscows central bank raised interest rates from 9.5 to 20%

Ukraine president has asked the eu for immediate admissions into th eu.

Eu commissions cheif say Ukraine belongs to us over time and we want them in.

Despite continued attempts to surpress details of the conflict from the Russian population, Russian Armed forces for the first time have been forced to acknowledging suffering casualties.

In recent poll 9/10 Ukraine citizens approve Ukraines president defense against Russia.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Pointman

A plane that serves Moscow-US route needs to fly back to Moscow, doesn't it?

No , it dosen't. Sure , go back to Russia but not through our airspace . Time to take the scenic route. Russian aircraft in Canadian airspace means no Russian flights in Canada's airspace.

The company and pilots broke the rules. They should have been punished and held under violating our laws.

We either mean no Russian aircraft in our airspace or we don't. This right now cannot be just a symbolic gesture.

[combustiblefuel]

I also had a thought is there a way that Ukraine could unexpectedly declare Lviv the Capital is Russians get to.close to kyiv and funny enough there is precedent i history thanks *ironically* because of the Russians. Peter the great just on a whim declared that st.peterbough would be a better capital city as it was more western and admit more trade and commerce. Than Moscow.

If all does go belly up would this be a play the Ukrainian government could accomplish in short order?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

No , it dosen't. Sure , go back to Russia but not through our airspace . Time to take the scenic route. Russian aircraft in Canadian airspace means no Russian flights in Canada's airspace.

The company and pilots broke the rules. They should have been punished and held under violating our laws.

We either mean no Russian aircraft in our airspace or we don't. This right now cannot be just a symbolic gesture.

Actually Moscow-New York/Miami flights fly over Sweden as well. Makes me wonder if they are fine with it or not. At this point it's probably Americans, not Russians, who need this flight most. No big deal in the grand scheme of things anyway.