2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[lambeburger]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I hope Children’s Services (or whatever it’s called) comes in and removes those children.

Ah yes, the government going in and taking these people's kids. That won't inflame the situation at all.

[SportsJunky]

There is an unconfirmed report that Pat King has a situation that's become inflamed (and itchy) after bunking down with unclean extremists over the weekend. Working to confirm.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

One of the Symptons of the pandemic is that everyone wants someone to blame for a chaotic act of nature. Pro restriction types want to blame anti maskers, Anti maskers want to blame the Government. There is a lot of moral righteousness coming from most people in the expression of this.

At this point everyone is frustrated, and grappling for control ( in the abstract sense).

Everyone wants their means to be justified, even if their motivations aren't.

I think this is a very level headed take; I think you're bang on in that both sides think they're fighting the just cause, and that its the other side being unreasonable.

We'd all be better off trying to acknowledge the other side more (whichever side that may be) and understand what is driving their view and that there likely is some common ground between us all.

Instead we get both sides trying to go nuclear on each other rather than find that happy medium. Nuanced debate and rationality are dead, and instead the other side is "literally Hitler" in every and all disagreements. Its frustrating to watch everything become tribalized on all sides.

Trying to take away kids, get people cancelled over donations, whatever it is - that isn't going to change any minds or reduce division in the slightest. Culturally we need a reconing to get back to civility in our disagreements instead of seeking absolute destruction of opposition.

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I think this is a very level headed take; I think you're bang on in that both sides think they're fighting the just cause, and that its the other side being unreasonable.

We'd all be better off trying to acknowledge the other side more (whichever side that may be) and understand what is driving their view and that there likely is some common ground between us all.

Instead we get both sides trying to go nuclear on each other rather than find that happy medium. Nuanced debate and rationality are dead, and instead the other side is "literally Hitler" in every and all disagreements. Its frustrating to watch everything become tribalized on all sides.

Trying to take away kids, get people cancelled over donations, whatever it is - that isn't going to change any minds or reduce division in the slightest. Culturally we need a reconing to get back to civility in our disagreements instead of seeking absolute destruction of opposition.

It’s be cool if our “Leader” was capable of doing this. Like follow through on the stuff he said in his acceptance speech

[Ozy_Flame]

Trying to impose aggressive protest tactics that antagonize regular citizens, defacing sacred memorials, bringing military-grade weapons to blockades for conspiracy to commit murder, whatever it is - that isn't going to change any minds or reduce division in the slightest. Culturally we need a reconing to get back to civility in our disagreements instead of absolute destruction of the opposition.

Don't forget to include examples of the other side too.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Trying to impose aggressive protest tactics that antagonize regular citizens, defacing sacred memorials, bringing military-grade weapons to blockades for conspiracy to commit murder, whatever it is - that isn't going to change any minds or reduce division in the slightest. Culturally we need a reconing to get back to civility in our disagreements instead of absolute destruction of the opposition.

Don't forget to include examples of the other side too.

Yup - totally. That's why my view is that the blockades are counter productive, just the same way riots/looting/violence was last year with many BLM protests. Everyone needs to stop going "full r-tard" in disagreements and acknowledge the middle ground and get back to being human. I blame Twitter

[Muta]

Can we do away with social media all together? That may help people to get back to a more humane understanding and empathy for each other. Haha.

[Ozy_Flame]

Agreed. The level of angst, fury, conspiracy, misinformation, and hubris in false narratives is largely the result of social media giving everyone a voice they think needs amplification.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by octothorp

As you mention, 'some of the stuff looks illegal'. If the RCMP catch you with a cache of weapons that include some illegal things, they aren't just going to sort through and pick out the naughty bits and let you keep the rest. They're going to confiscate everything, arrest you, and probably make it very difficult for you to legally own firearms again in your life. It's also been reported that this was part of a larger investigation. If there was credible evidence that there was a plan to use those firearms against police or civilians, that also would be reason enough for the RCMP to confisicate them.

Thanks for that helpful response.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

There seems to be some posts circulating through convoy supporters that they think Trudeau isn't going to bother with the military, but instead do something worse... and that is to freeze the bank accounts of those identified as part of the convoy.

If they are independent contractor truckers, that's exactly what is going to happen.

If they are working as part of a company, then the company can have their accounts frozen.

[DownInFlames]

DevilsAdvocate, this you?

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...single_person/

[Macman]

And I saw a video earlier of a street party atmosphere with people dancing including a person of color, so what are we to believe?

Corbella today on Trudeau,

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...r-the-truckers

So what happens to Go Fund me money when it gets disputed, I would hope it goes back to the donors.

[darockwilder]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

DevilsAdvocate, this you?

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...single_person/

Definitely giving me a Ricky from Trailer Park Boys vibe. More coherent though.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Macman

And I saw a video earlier of a street party atmosphere with people dancing including a person of color, so what are we to believe?

Corbella today on Trudeau,

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...r-the-truckers

You know it's entirely possible for some people to be setting up bouncy castles for kids, while others are breaking laws, right? I mean, technically the dance party is in the middle of an intersection, so while it may be "peaceful" it isn't legal.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Macman

And I saw a video earlier of a street party atmosphere with people dancing including a person of color, so what are we to believe?

Is this in reference to what I posted? It wasn't meant to make a point. I just thought it was funny how he was cussing out these people.

I do have to say, one whole person of colour in a crowd of people is absolutely meaningless. Believe that.

Corbella today on Trudeau,

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...r-the-truckers

Please, let me rush to see what Corbella has to say.

[Macman]

To be honest I haven't really followed this very closely as far as what's being covered but have listened a bit to talk radio. I do keep hearing a lot of how many of these truckers are racist so that's what I was referring to.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

DevilsAdvocate, this you?

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...single_person/

This is actually incredibly sad on both sides of the coin.

1 - this guy is so worn down that he's lost his mind and appears completely unhinged.

2- these protesters are so deluded and dim that they still think residents and the average person is on their side and can basically only muster something indiscernible about freedom in reply.

When things get to this point you aren't very far off from some really bad things happening.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

DevilsAdvocate, this you?

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...single_person/

The best comments:

Lord, please let Letterkenny address this time in Canadian history, because it’s ####ing embarrassing. Amen

They can't have an actual portrayal, as Wayne would just start going truck-to-truck beating wholesale ass, all the way down the line.

We need to send in Wayne to send these pukes packing.

[powderjunkie]

Remember how we were told that any [effective] form of electoral reform would be dangerous because it may lead to radical voices in the HoC? Instead of letting the wackjobs have some way to participate in the 'system', we've frozen them out to the extent that they are aiming for total insurrection.

I'm not saying that having a few [more] lunatic MPs would have prevented any of this, but it at least would do a lot to undermine the senseless arguments around rigged elections or not having anyone actually listen in the HoC.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Remember how we were told that any [effective] form of electoral reform would be dangerous because it may lead to radical voices in the HoC? Instead of letting the wackjobs have some way to participate in the 'system', we've frozen them out to the extent that they are aiming for total insurrection.

I'm not saying that having a few [more] lunatic MPs would have prevented any of this, but it at least would do a lot to undermine the senseless arguments around rigged elections or not having anyone actually listen in the HoC.

This is quite honestly the only way out of this mess IMHO. When Trudeau was first elected I was a bit ho hum on this type of electoral reform (before he reneged on it), but at least you give everyone a some degree of a voice and like it or not, this goes a long way to keeping the kettle from spilling over like it has here.