2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Sliver

He's not saying truckers as a group of people are nonsense or hold nonsense positions. He's saying it's nonsense to attribute all the problems with the convoys to truckers since none of their associations support these terrorists/occupiers and 90% of truckers are vaccinated and out there working right now. The VAST majority are not holding freedumb parties and acting like dopes of the highest order at border crossings and in Ottawa.

I agree with that. Stop blocking infrastructure and gtfo of the way. People have #### to do.
The trucking industry isn't going to strike. Much to Fuzz chagrin, I have not advocated for that anywhere.
Go protest, just do it like a normal human and let others carry on.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The nonsense idea that they should have a strike. I've seen the idea floated in these protest group chats. It wouldn't have an affect for the reason I explained. The fact you brought it up here thinking it would work tells me all I need to know about the side you are sitting on. Your name on the donor list, too?

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, I don't have#social#media#at all. I just get curious and looked to see what the #######s are up to occasionally. It's so toxic, yet so many people are on it daily.

For someone who doesn't have social media at all, and just occasionally checks in out of curiosity, I'm amazed at how well your ear is to the ground and shocked by your daily linking to Twitter.
No, my name isn't on the donor list because I do NOT support the blocking of infrastructure, or destruction of property as a form of protest.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'd imagine those trucks cabs are starting to smell pretty bad. I understand they can get a shower occasionally, but the stank has to be building up in there.

Turns out most of them have been staying in hotels at night.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

For someone who doesn't have social media at all, and just occasionally checks in out of curiosity, I'm amazed at how well your ear is to the ground and shocked by your daily linking to Twitter.
Aka you're full of ####. No, my name isn't on the donor list because I do NOT support the blocking of infrastructure, or destruction of property as a form of protest. Go create your boogeyman effigy somewhere else you pearl clutching twat.

Well that isn't very nice.


Your original comment was an idea that is repeated around groups that support the terrorists, so I made the connection, that's all. If you just came up with it on your own, first off, it's still a dumb idea, and second, I'm not even sure why you would suggest it. If you don't support them, good, no one should. I'm just puzzled why you wold post it if that is the case. Or is it you support their message, but not their methods? In which case, not good. Their message is destructive and against the advice of our best medical experts.

[jeromewipf99]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

For someone who doesn't have social media at all, and just occasionally checks in out of curiosity, I'm amazed at how well your ear is to the ground and shocked by your daily linking to Twitter.
No, my name isn't on the donor list because I do NOT support the blocking of infrastructure, or destruction of property as a form of protest.

He/she has no life, except for spewing verbal diarrhea from Twitter/cbc daily.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by jeromewipf99

He/she has no life, except for spewing verbal diarrhea from Twitter/cbc daily.

"He".


Oh good, another CBC hater. Must be getting your news from the soon to be bankrupt Ezra Levant. Smart. Very smrt.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by 81MC

We also used to burn witches and hold public lynchings. I am assuming EE was referring to the direction of modern, civilized society and not the entire history of mankind.

The fact that we do something wrong sometimes doesn’t mean we should accept that it’ll naturally pervert everything else. Also, we want to go down the route of criminalizing the entirety of a protest? If I donated to BLM, am I complicit in the crimes that caused millions in damage stateside? Or should I have lost my job for publicly supporting those at Fairy Creek? Or if CPAWS illegally blocked access to coal projects, you’d have their donors list be publicized for action?

Let’s save our outrage for those who actually commit crimes. Even then, that seems to be reserved for heinous crimes and particularly severe outcomes. Crimes happen all the time, no one here could possibly name 99% of the offenders.

I find it inhumane that we have so many businesses where a criminal record is automatically a rejection. It wracks my brain to consider actually extending that level of indecency simply for supporting political causes. Are we so hungry for moral righteousness that we should be so punitive in our judgments as to actuslly destroy the livelihoods of our compatriots because they donated to a cause they at one time or another belived in? That’s despicable any way you chose.

Like everything there’s a line. I think it’s great that people, typically people of power and privilege, are increasingly being called out publicly for truly bad behaviour. The origin of #MeToo was a long overdue reclamation of power by untold numbers of people who had been taken advantage of. Clearly it had a positive effect with people like Cosby going to jail for criminal acts. I also have no issue with people being called out for really shippy non-criminal behaviour if it helps other people avoid being victimized by them.

The line gets crossed when the definition of really shippy behaviour gets greyer and even just accusations of not great behaviour result in individuals automatically becoming pariahs in all circles.

I believe that ‘cancel culture’ (I hate that term) has significantly increased in the last five years, much of it is welcome and justified, and much of it is over the top and hurtful.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

"He".


Oh good, another CBC hater. Must be getting your news from the soon to be bankrupt Ezra Levant. Smart. Very smrt.

Cast that effigy!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by jeromewipf99

He/she has no life, except for spewing verbal diarrhea from Twitter/cbc daily.

Get lost and take this nonsense with you.

[opendoor]

Interesting article about what an Edmonton private security firm says they found when they had one of their investigators covertly go to the Coutts blockade:

A covert operation conducted by an Edmonton security firm determined some protesters occupying the Coutts border had become so emboldened by the blockade’s success they discussed blocking cargo terminals at airports across the country in an ongoing attempt to force a change of government in Ottawa.

“This protest has been wildly successful, far beyond the protesters’ imaginations,” said Neil LeMay, a senior consultant with Global Enterprise Security Risk Management.

“They are absolutely amazed that the police haven’t taken more enforcement action against them, particularly at the border in Coutts,” LeMay said in an interview Sunday before many protesters with the blockade began leaving Monday evening and the blockade was dismantled Tuesday morning.

His firm’s threat assessment, obtained exclusively by Global News, found the Coutts blockade was spiritually motivated by far-right Christian ideology and was highly organized, with what appeared to be a leader — unidentified in the assessment — who delegated tasks, and directed its finances and security.

“We know that there have been discussions around the table at the headquarters of the (protest at the) Smuggler’s Saloon in Coutts where mothers have openly questioned how their children will react to the tear gas when it comes and what effect it will have on them,” LeMay said.

Critically, the assessment concluded that the blockade, which began under the auspices of protesting COVID-19 public health measures, had become more concerned with “replacing our current democratic system of government with a government that is based upon the principles of the Christian right.

“The rule of law would be replaced with the word of God, as interpreted through right-libertarian ideologies, specifically: civil liberties, natural law, and a major reversal of the modern welfare state,” it said.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8621733/c...at-assessment/


Granted, it's a private security firm selling a report to media, so it's possible it's overstated. But it's still a pretty good indication of the insanity behind these blockades/occupations.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

What trucker nonsense? The reality is, in the second largest country on the face of the earth, that goods and services are delivered on wheels. Sorry to burst your nonsense bubble.

I have no desire to vilify truckers. It is as noble and important profession. That said, everyone is replaceable in an industrial capitalist system. No single person is going to be crucial to the operation of our economy.



Obviously union or other cooperative movements try to combat this such as the protest convoy. Never the less, self driving trucks are not a distant technology, they are being tested on roads right now, and the largest manufacturers of these vehicles have advanced orders in the 10s of thousands.


These folks are important now, but they will be important like the quarter horse. This is a ramble post already so what the hell. It will be interesting to see if we get a trucker esq ludite movement in 4 years.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by jeromewipf99

He/she has no life, except for spewing verbal diarrhea from Twitter/cbc daily.

speaking of verbal diarrhea


https://forum.calgarypuck.com/search...rchid=11454136

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I have no desire to vilify truckers. It is as noble and important profession. That said, everyone is replaceable in an industrial capitalist system. No single person is going to be crucial to the operation of our economy.



Obviously union or other cooperative movements try to combat this such as the protest convoy. Never the less, self driving trucks are not a distant technology, they are being tested on roads right now, and the largest manufacturers of these vehicles have advanced orders in the 10s of thousands.


These folks are important now, but they will be important like the quarter horse. This is a ramble post already so what the hell. It will be interesting to see if we get a trucker esq ludite movement in 4 years.

This illustrates why a 100 percent trucker protest will never happen. Which is why I would never advocate for such, just pointing out the obvious.
It won't work for the same reason the old emails that circulated regarding "don't buy fuel on X date, let's stick to Shell, BP et al" didn't work. People still need fuel. People still need goods and services delivered, and in a country the size of Canada this is crucial. Which is why a blockade is so detrimental.
Even if all the unvaccinated truckers, at 10% of the industry decide to park their rig, that 10% loss of capacity would he a major blow to our economy. A 100% loss in capacity (again, this is not an advocation) would he absolutely crippling and inside of two or three days every Canadian who cant dress a deer let alone get a new curling iron from Amazon would be in BIG trouble.
Obvious yes. Avocation, no.
Having said that, it's entirely possible to respect and support everyone's right to protest while being opposed to blockades. Much like I do not support setting rail yards on fire, or shooting pipeline headers with rifles, I do not support blocking a border crossing or port. However, even though I may or may not agree with your position, I 100% support your right to protest.
Just don't do it like a complete POS.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by jeromewipf99

He/she has no life, except for spewing verbal diarrhea from Twitter/cbc daily.

Dear, go deep throat a cactus.

[MoneyGuy]

I hope Children’s Services (or whatever it’s called) comes in and removes those children.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493987039850684421


They daycare operators have a bit of a concerned look on their face. I'm not sure why these info slips don't list a bunch of criminal acts and possible fines/imprisonment, seems that would be a good way to put reality in front of them.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

This illustrates why a 100 percent trucker protest will never happen. Which is why I would never advocate for such, just pointing out the obvious.
It won't work for the same reason the old emails that circulated regarding "don't buy fuel on X date, let's stick to Shell, BP et al" didn't work. People still need fuel. People still need goods and services delivered, and in a country the size of Canada this is crucial. Which is why a blockade is so detrimental.
Even if all the unvaccinated truckers, at 10% of the industry decide to park their rig, that 10% loss of capacity would he a major blow to our economy. A 100% loss in capacity (again, this is not an advocation) would he absolutely crippling and inside of two or three days every Canadian who cant dress a deer let alone get a new curling iron from Amazon would be in BIG trouble.
Obvious yes. Avocation, no.
Having said that, it's entirely possible to respect and support everyone's right to protest while being opposed to blockades. Much like I do not support setting rail yards on fire, or shooting pipeline headers with rifles, I do not support blocking a border crossing or port. However, even though I may or may not agree with your position, I 100% support your right to protest.
Just don't do it like a complete POS.

One of the Symptons of the pandemic is that everyone wants someone to blame for a chaotic act of nature. Pro restriction types want to blame anti maskers, Anti maskers want to blame the Government. There is a lot of moral righteousness coming from most people in the expression of this.

At this point everyone is frustrated, and grappling for control ( in the abstract sense).

Everyone wants their means to be justified, even if their motivations aren't.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I hope Children’s Services (or whatever it’s called) comes in and removes those children.

Yep, there should be zero tolerance for child abuse. There is no excuse to have children removed from school to hang out in the cold and supporting a protest. Anyone who brought their kids there for longer than a weekend needs a serious wake-up call.

[DoubleF]

There seems to be some posts circulating through convoy supporters that they think Trudeau isn't going to bother with the military, but instead do something worse... and that is to freeze the bank accounts of those identified as part of the convoy.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

There seems to be some posts circulating through convoy supporters that they think Trudeau isn't going to bother with the military, but instead do something worse... and that is to freeze the bank accounts of those identified as part of the convoy.

The thing is for a large number of these people, once there are consequences they will leave. They aren't that dedicated to the cause. Question becomes what do the hard cores do after that.