2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[opendoor]

Multiple times, climate protesters in Vancouver got to block an intersection for a few hours before being hauled off to jail:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/4-arrested-dur...tion-1.5626297

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/yvr-...tion-rebellion

So yeah, it would be nice if similar protests were treated with a more universal standard, but I don't think that's quite the gotcha that some people seem to think it is.

[Raekwon]

How much do these rigs cost? I'm curious since I assume if any of them get damaged they won't be covered by insurance by either "used in a criminal act" or I suppose technically any damage after the Emergency Act could be classified as "caused by an act of war" I think there is also a clause for damage from protest but its been too long.

I looked at the donation list and I'm guessing that 90% of the people that donated didn't realize they could set an amount that GSG gets for taking your payment, its looks like the default is 10%. Curious if they get that amount before its seized as its a nice 500k.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

The Blockade was by definition of the Canadian Criminal code (Section 83.01) an act of Terrorism, and they get to shake hands, un ####ing believable tbh

We’ve been through that. No, it was not, by definition.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Not sure if posted or not..

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493417437311606786

I am not a firearms expert or anything.

Some of that stuff looks illegal, but you are allowed to have long guns in Canada right?

How can the government confiscate your long gun if you have a PAL and are not using it?

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Azure

I also include any funding for environmental groups that oppose pipeline development or supports blockades against anything we consider to be critical infrastructure.

The government better be using their powers to shut that all down, tomorrow. Freeze assets, and levy $100k fines to anyone involved.

I'll be waiting.

The government tried that. Spent millions and found nothing. Take the L that people are agreeing with you and not the absurdity you are trying to instill here

[TheIronMaiden]

Why is everyone so dead set on victimizing themselves?

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

How can the government confiscate your long gun if you have a PAL and are not using it?

Which gun was illegally confiscated by the RCMP in that photo?

[PepsiFree]

I'm not sure I understand the whataboutism regarding future environmental protests, as if we don't already have a recent example of this happening (which, if we're trying to accuse each other of being hypocritical, saw the CPC call for forceful action just 12 days after blockades began, and saw many posters here who are suddenly concerned for the rights of protestors also advocate for the government "forcing" the RCMP to intervene, calling people terrorists, calling the response pathetic, hoping people die, and advocating for sending in the army).

This is, of course, the railway blockades in February 2020 in support of the Wet’suwet’en fight against CoastLink.

As a reminder, here is how that played out:

Feb. 6 — The RCMP move in to Wet’suwet’en territory to enforce the court injunction that would have allowed construction work to resume. A handful of pipeline opponents are arrested. Hours later, outside of Belleville, Ont., east of Toronto, protesters start holding up railway traffic in solidarity with the Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs.

Feb. 7 — Via Rail halts service along one of its busiest routes because of the Belleville-area blockade. All travel between Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal is cancelled. Canadian National Railway obtains a court injunction to end a demonstration by members of the Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory near Belleville. Protesters also begin disruptions at ports in Vancouver and Delta, B.C.

Feb. 8 — Protesters in Toronto disrupt Canadian Pacific Railway traffic moving through the downtown area.

Feb. 9 — Kahnawake Mohawk community members south of Montreal erect a blockade on a CP rail line.

Feb. 10 — Demonstrators in the Montreal area disrupt commuter train service on the Exo Candiac line. A shuttle bus service is in effect for affected rail stations.

Feb. 11 — CN stops transport between Prince George, B.C., and Prince Rupert, B.C., because of a blockade near Hazelton, B.C. The company says it has halted more than 150 freight trains since blockades started on Feb. 6.

Feb. 12 — The Manitoba government says it may seek a court injunction to end a blockade on a rail line west of Winnipeg, but CN obtains its own court order. Two hereditary Wet’suwet’en chiefs start a constitutional challenge of fossil fuel projects, as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau calls for demonstrators across the country to observe the rule of law.

Feb. 13 — CN shuts down its operations in Eastern Canada. The railway says blockades have ended in Manitoba and may come down soon in British Columbia, but the orders of a court in Ontario have yet to be enforced and continue to be ignored.

Feb. 14 — A rail blockade that halted train traffic to and from the Port of Prince Rupert is lifted as First Nations leaders agree to meet with federal and provincial politicians.

Feb. 15 — Federal Indigenous Services Minister Marc Miller travels to meet with protesters in Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory near the site of the Belleville blockade. He says “modest progress” was made during nine hours of talks, but declines to share details on what was discussed.

Feb. 16 _ Trudeau cancels his planned trip to Barbados, less than 24 hours before his scheduled departure, so he can handle the protests in Canada. Meanwhile, protesters briefly shut down a busy Ontario border crossing.

Feb. 17 — Trudeau convenes the Incident Response Group, an emergency committee that meets in the event of a national crisis.

Feb. 18 — An emergency debate is held in the House of Commons, where the Opposition Conservatives advocate for forceful action and the governing Liberals push for ongoing dialog with backing from other political parties. Meanwhile, CN issues temporary layoff notices for 450 employees, citing the ongoing protests as the reason for the move.

Feb. 19 — Protesters erect a blockade along a stretch of CN rail line in Edmonton, but are soon faced with counter-protesters who begin forcibly dismantling the barricade. The blockade is taken down later in the day. Via Rail announces nearly 1,000 temporary layoffs in light of ongoing service suspensions across much of Canada. The rail provider also cancels plans to resume a route between Ottawa and Quebec City as a new blockade is erected near Montreal.

Feb. 20 — Federal Public Safety Minister Bill Blair says the RCMP has offered to move its officers from Wet’suwet’en territory to a nearby town. He says this concession meets a key condition from the hereditary chiefs and calls for all rail blockades to be dismantled. Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs travel to Quebec and Ontario to thank supporters who have maintained the blockades.

Feb. 21 — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the barricades must come down and the injunctions to clear the rail lines must be enforced, calling the situation “unacceptable and untenable.” He points the finger at Indigenous leadership, who he says have not been receptive to his government’s attempts at negotiation. Protesters who’d been blockading a CN Rail line near Montreal clear out shortly after riot police arrive on scene ready to enforce an injunction to clear the tracks.

Feb. 22 — Anti-pipeline demonstrations spring up, including a protest along the railway tracks in Saskatoon. Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe says a train was allowed to pass through the protest area as scheduled, warning that the protest must remain lawful and that transport routes cannot be disrupted by illegal blockades.

Feb. 23 –Ontario Provincial Police give protesters until midnight Sunday to clear the blockade near Belleville on Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory or face an investigation and possible criminal charges.

Feb. 24 — Ontario Provincial Police move to enforce injunction aimed at clearing Belleville-area rail blockade. Police make several arrests and officers line up in front of the remaining protesters at the encampment.

Not the similarities and differences. As far as timeline goes, overall it's similar. However, few blockades during the previous protest were active for more than a few days. The RCMP made many arrests while this time they seemed fairly reluctant to even issue fines.

The Conservatives pushed for forceful action while the Liberals pushed for ongoing dialogue. The Liberals eventually took to forceful action. Compare that with this current iteration, where the Conservatives have pushed for dialogue, and the Liberals have not, but have also avoided forceful action thus far. You can decide for yourself whether dialogue was necessary or not in either case, but it's worth noting that the dialogue in one concerned the protection of indigenous land rights, and the dialogue in the other concerned the removal of health restrictions and of Trudeau as PM (among other things).

Looking at a provincial level, I don't think it needs to be pointed out that the entire reason Kenney and the UCP introduced Bill 1 was due to the Wet'suwet'wen protests, a Bill he was reluctant to enforce on the Coutts protest, despite it being far more damaging and long lasting than anything that occured in Alberta during the Wet'suwet'wen protests.

All in all, if we're looking for hypocrisy or a gotchya, it's clear to see that the Liberals favoured a softer response in statements previously but have acted in a softer manner this time, while the actions and many statements of the Conservatives have been a complete reversal. There's still room for the Liberals to enforce much harsher measures, though.

Looking for hypocrisy and bias in response to these issues is a game pretty much everyone is destinted to lose. Why play? Looking for a gotchya? There's no shortage of them, including from the people most eager to play the game, so I would just avoid that nonsense entirely. I think we can do without.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

This should come as a surprise to no one but Police Chief Sloly from Ottawa has resigned.

What an idiot! He was getting paid with a sweet pension to do absolutely nothing.

[Raekwon]

Sadly the people down at Coutts shaking hands with RCMP and leavening peacefully have no idea what's is in store for them. We don't just send the RCMP out for free. Lists have been compiled and penalties will be coming whether fines, charges, restitution (Just a small amount of money) This isn't the Alberta police this is the Canadian police so Kenney won't be able to save them.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Sadly the people down at Coutts shaking hands with RCMP and leavening peacefully have no idea what's is in store for them. We don't just send the RCMP out for free. Lists have been compiled and penalties will be coming whether fines, charges, restitution (Just a small amount of money) This isn't the Alberta police this is the Canadian police so Kenney won't be able to save them.

I honestly hope you are right, but i'm struggling to believe it will happen

[Ozy_Flame]

I can't imagine what the 'APP' would have done here. Although I do believe that Kenney will use the blockade as impetus to ram in his police force nobody wanted.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I am not a firearms expert or anything.

Some of that stuff looks illegal, but you are allowed to have long guns in Canada right?

How can the government confiscate your long gun if you have a PAL and are not using it?

As you mention, 'some of the stuff looks illegal'. If the RCMP catch you with a cache of weapons that include some illegal things, they aren't just going to sort through and pick out the naughty bits and let you keep the rest. They're going to confiscate everything, arrest you, and probably make it very difficult for you to legally own firearms again in your life. It's also been reported that this was part of a larger investigation. If there was credible evidence that there was a plan to use those firearms against police or civilians, that also would be reason enough for the RCMP to confisicate them.

[Bagor]

Speaking of firearms.

Police say they have located a truck stolen from Peterborough, but a trailer with more than 2,000 guns remains missing.
Peterborough police say they were notified by Peel Regional Police on Monday night that the truck had been found in an industrial area in Brampton, Ont.,
Police say a trailer carrying more than 2,000 firearms was not with the truck.
Peterborough police have said the truck and trailer were stolen from a trucking yard on Sunday, but that the incident was not a targeted one.

Call bs on that one. They just randomly stole the trailer not knowing if it was full of broccoli or guns?


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...sing-1.6352442

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493647989524553735

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493645243798986760


Just going to take a moment to savour this. Aww ya, that's the stuff.

[SportsJunky]

Does FAFO not mean anything anymore? Did the "protestors" think there would be no consequences to their illegal behaviours?

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493647989524553735

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493645243798986760


Just going to take a moment to savour this. Aww ya, that's the stuff.

“I’m ready to go to jail for what’s right,”

“I’m ready for it. It’s time that people rise up and truly give the right message.

Oh, wait, they're actually going to arrest people now?

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I think the saddest part of the whole karen convoy crap is we have the olympics going on, this should be a time to be cheering for Canada, and the only thing the Canadian flag being flown reminds me of as soon as I see it on a pick up truck are the anti-vaxxer morons.

We were never much of a nationalist country to begin with, but now flying the flag has become synonymous with anti-vaxxers. It will take years to reverse the stigma.

Exactly, this. I said this in the Olympics thread too, I live in the Beltline close to 17th (where the weekly Sat afternoon Freedumb protests go through), was all excited after Max Parrot's gold medal so I wanted to wear my Canadian Olympics hoodie the next day on Sat. But I know I'll just look like one of those protestors to everyone when wearing it, so I've mostly not been wearing it.

So frustrating how I feel like I can't show my support for the Canadian Olympians right now due to the flag being used as the freedumb crowd's symbol.

[MoneyGuy]

Glad to see the Ottawa police chief booted; I’m sure he was shown the door. Now how about those cops who showed support for the trucker terrorists also get the boot?

[Minnie]

Here is, officially, the names of the first 11 charged at Coutts, and the charges against them:

Ursula Allred

• Mischief to property over $5,000.
• Possession of a weapon.

Luke Berk

• Mischief to property over $5,000.
• Possession of a weapon.

Chris Carbert

• Conspiracy to murder.
• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Evan Colenutt

• Mischief to property over $5,000.
• Possession of a weapon.

Johnson Chichow Law

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Christopher Lysak

• Conspiracy to murder.
• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.
• Uttering threats.

Justin Martin

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Stewart Eastin Oler

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Anthony Olienick

• Conspiracy to murder.
• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Joanne Person

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Janx Zaremba

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.