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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

We all know the Flames will never pick 1st overall in any of our lives.

Of course. But if another team owned our 1st, the chances of it becoming 1st overall increase significantly.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Saw a post on HF (main board Eichel thread) that Weekes said on NHL network this morning that he thinks it is Calgary and he thinks it’s close

Any clip of this?

[Darkknight]

I still think the correct core piece to move is Tkachuk. He is not playing well enough currently to justify the 7 million he's making let alone the 9 million he's due next year. I don't see him as being a piece you can retain for a reasonable cap hit for long term.

Tkachuk
Zary
Zadorov

For

Eichel

Add a second if required but it helps maintain the center depth we've built and you can put Monahan or Lindholm on the wing.

[Toonage]

^^ Any update would have been from last night, NHL Network doesn't have a live morning show AFAIK

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Flames retaining on Zadorov makes zero sense. HF is full of crap.

Actually...here is where it does make sense.

Zadorov makes $3.75M

Eakin Makes $2.25M

So if Flames retain $1M on Zadorov and Buffalo retains $1M on Eakin then that is a wash from both teams side of things.

But what it allows Buffalo to do is retain another 50% on Zadorov - so Zadorov could be shopped to a team for ~$1.5M. And there could be a lot more interest in him at that cap hit if they decide to flip him.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not really, the team in dead last has a 20% chance

a team with Sutter/Markstrom is not finishing dead last

And there is an 80% chance the first pick goes to a team that is not dead last.

Under the new rules, a team can move up a maximum of 10 places, which means any team in the bottom 11 can pick first, and all of those teams have a much greater than 1% chance of winning.

Some of the trade proposals on here are bad enough to put the Flames firmly in that bottom 11 if Eichel isn't playing, or even if he is not the player he was before surgery.

[Manhattanboy]

Would love to know Sutter's thoughts on a trade and the pieces that should be moved.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by mile

Any clip of this?

I haven’t searched but do not have the NHL network so not sure if a clip is available?

Here is the post from Flashsabre on page 33 of the Eichel trade thread:

“Apparently on the NHL Network Kevin Weekes thinks it is close and that Calgary is the top destination.”

[sa226]

Unless Buffalo wants Tkachuk, I don't think you need to move him. The key thing with Tkachuk is the Flames have control, he's still an RFA.

Even with an unfavorable RFA status (9mil QO) you could probably get a pretty significant bidding war going over the summer or at the draft.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I haven’t searched but so not have NHL network so not sure.

Here is the post from Flashsabre on page 33 of the Eichel trade thread

Apparently on the NHL Network Kevin Weekes thinks it is close and that Calgary is the top destination.

Can you clean this up a bit? I can't read it.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by sa226

Unless Buffalo wants Tkachuk, I don't think you need to move him. The key thing with Tkachuk is the Flames have control, he's still an RFA.

Even with an unfavorable RFA status (9mil QO) you could probably get a pretty significant bidding war going over the summer or at the draft.

It would pretty much have to be at or before the draft, since the QO deadline, IIRC, comes right after that. If Tkachuk signs his QO, his value diminishes significantly, because he can walk after one more season.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Would love to know Sutter's thoughts on a trade and the pieces that should be moved.

I really hope he doesn't intervene and influence this trade much. I love Darryl as a coach. But other than bringing Kipper in, he was not a good GM for us.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It would pretty much have to be at or before the draft, since the QO deadline, IIRC, comes right after that. If Tkachuk signs his QO, his value diminishes significantly, because he can walk after one more season.

Right, good point. Didn't realize that deadline.

[sa226]

I would argue he was at his best as a GM when he was also the coach. Which is now pretty much impossible. I think his input on how players could fit into the roster would be pretty valuable.

It worked with Gundbradson (so far)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I really hope he doesn't intervene and influence this trade much. I love Darryl as a coach. But other than bringing Kipper in, he was not a good GM for us.

I hate to derail this, but Sutter also added Warrener, Reinprecht, Yelle, Lydman, Langkow, Huselius, Tanguay and Cammalleri. I agree that he spiralled out of control in his last year or two, but for a while Sutter was actually a very effective manager. I hated how he drafted, but there should be no questions about how he evaluates talent at the NHL level, and targets players.

Anyhow, Jack Eichel, eh?

[activeStick]

Adding Eichel would make the BoA even more intense if that's even possible

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Would love to know Sutter's thoughts on a trade and the pieces that should be moved.

Given his track record as GM I think I'm perfectly fine with him just focusing on hockey and the game at hand and letting Brad worry about that.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Darkknight

I still think the correct core piece to move is Tkachuk. He is not playing well enough currently to justify the 7 million he's making let alone the 9 million he's due next year. I don't see him as being a piece you can retain for a reasonable cap hit for long term.

Tkachuk
Zary
Zadorov

For

Eichel

Add a second if required but it helps maintain the center depth we've built and you can put Monahan or Lindholm on the wing.

If that's the ask, you make that move. Under Sutter, the team just doesn't need Tkachuk's antics to inspire them anymore. Sutter is not going to put up with unnecessary penalties either.

Tkachuk is still a talented hockey player, outside of the antics. He's great at driving the net and coming up with creative plays while doing so. Who's even better at that? Eichel.

[Vinny01]

NRD podcast.

Vegas deal was close and thought was done on Friday. Krebs, Tuch, Conditional 1st, Brisson (Pat Brisson’s son) going the other way. Didn’t sound like Vegas was moving a Dman.

They said they talked about names from Calgary (I didn’t catch that however)

Basically said he has no clue when it will go down now. Surprised it is not wrapped up yet. No idea what the timeline is now

Vegas injuries make it easier from a cap perspective but not a team perspective. Does Vegas trade picks/prospects and punt this season? Are injuries causing the delay on the Vegas side?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I hate to derail this, but Sutter also added Warrener, Reinprecht, Yelle, Lydman, Langkow, Huselius, Tanguay and Cammalleri. I agree that he spiralled out of control in his last year or two, but for a while Sutter was actually a very effective manager. I hated how he drafted, but there should be no questions about how he evaluates talent at the NHL level, and targets players.

Anyhow, Jack Eichel, eh?

Sutter's major problem wasn't so much with who he brought in, but who he let go. Sutter had a bad habit of writing guys off and refusing to work with immature personalities. It's good to motivate people and not put up with BS, but as a GM you also need to make the most of your resources. It's this personality trait that led to the Phaneuf trade.

Sutter's UFA record was also deplorable. He did bring in a few great players, but also signed dozens of depth guys who were not of NHL quality. There was a constant revolving door in the bottom six. The current team has enough depth to keep Sutter from repeating those mistakes.

I think Sutter has actually matured a bit, and is taking a less hardline approach. I've noticed that when players make mistakes he doesn't staple them to the bench for inordinate amounts of time.

To get back on topic, Sutter + Eichel would be a great combo. Both have an expect everything from their teammates attitude.