[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[gamesaver]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

No, they should just leave, never post again, here or anywhere else, AND go get vaccinated.

If/when we go into some kind of lockdown, and an unvaccinated person complains about it, I will be tempted to seek them out to punch them in the face.

Thanks for making the decision for myself. I will leave this place with the following statement: I come from a country that has been occupied by nazis during WW2 and after that suffered 40 years of communism. My ancestors literally died so I could have basic personal freedoms and rights. The west has never experienced what totality is, I suppose it's inevitable you guys taste it yourself. I only hope this is not going to go as far as civil wars and such. Good luck.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its like when Trump downplayed covid, got covid, and got the Vaccine
but its fake, but it won't kill you, vaccine is dangerous...er um

He was totally fine. No big deal. Weakest disease in the history of diseases and he knows all about diseases.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

wrong post

And the Nazi card is played…

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Come on. You're the one telling us to do the research yet you clearly have done none yourself. Please refer to this post

Originally Posted by gamesaver

I will reply just let me read through it.

Originally Posted by cupofjoe

Actually, they will likely leave as their search for real proof, real research to support their position will be fruitless. Leaving their little angry post alone and unsupported.

Originally Posted by gamesaver

Thanks for making the decision for myself. I will leave this place with the following statement: I come from a country that has been occupied by nazis during WW2 and after that suffered 40 years of communism. My ancestors literally died so I could have basic personal freedoms and rights. The west has never experienced what totality is, I suppose it's inevitable you guys taste it yourself. I only hope this is not going to go as far as civil wars and such. Good luck.

Let me guess, came up empty on the research front??

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

Thanks for making the decision for myself. I will leave this place with the following statement: I come from a country that has been occupied by nazis during WW2 and after that suffered 40 years of communism. My ancestors literally died so I could have basic personal freedoms and rights. The west has never experienced what totality is, I suppose it's inevitable you guys taste it yourself. I only hope this is not going to go as far as civil wars and such. Good luck.

Lol, out with a communism comparison.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

wrong post

lol you are lucky you deleted that...

Nazi's are making me wear a seatbelt and not drink and drive as we speak

[midniteowl]

MOD edit: removed inappropriate post

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

I will reply just let me read through it.

So uhhh, couldn't admit you're wrong, just 'nazis bad, I'm out'

Interesting

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

My ancestors literally died so I could have basic personal freedoms and rights.

They also very much understood that having freedom bears responsibilities.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

Thanks for making the decision for myself. I will leave this place with the following statement: I come from a country that has been occupied by nazis during WW2 and after that suffered 40 years of communism. My ancestors literally died so I could have basic personal freedoms and rights. The west has never experienced what totality is, I suppose it's inevitable you guys taste it yourself. I only hope this is not going to go as far as civil wars and such. Good luck.

Our ancestors fought and died so objective truth would be the underpinning ideal of western society. Sadly you're working against that by spreading falsehoods and poorly conceived ideas about what freedom is all about.

Our grandparents also lined up when Polio vaccines were available to inoculate their children, there wasn't an outcry from the muh freedom to spread contagious disease crowd.

[Jbo]

This thread is bizarre. Every 5-6 pages a new crazy comes out, gets disproven with facts and ends on some Nazi comparison.

NEXT

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Sled

The way some people are acting towards unvaxxed people in this tread is actually quite scary. I think if this conversation was all done in a physical room people would be tying those that think different then you up and dragging them into the street and shooting them right on the spot with the vaccine.

People aren't reacting up in arms to unvaccinated people. This is a response to those acting in a selfish manner which prevents the rest of society moving forward, but then having those same people protest counter-meaures put in place because of them. No one is laying this at the feet of those who can't be vaccinated. Heck, I bet most of us don't even care anymore why someone does not want to get vaccinated, but stop trying to keep the rest of us from moving forward.

Originally Posted by Sled

I chose to get vaccinated for my own reasons and they are my reasons to keep. For people that don't want to get vaccinated so be it, I don't care. I ignore it, at this point they are in a minority.

This minority, unfortunately, is the reason we are needing to put further restrictions in place.

Originally Posted by Sled

If you folks are so concerned about everyone's health why not lobby to make Happy Meals $35 each to end childhood obesity.

This issue is likely more one of accessible healthy food. With your example, the current situation would be more like healthy food being offered for free, but people refusing, thereby becoming obese, cluttering the health system, passing on obesity... (I mean, it's hard to even draw parallels so this may not completely be reasonable). Also, childhood obesity IS an issue, a big one and ideas around taxing unhealthy foods are around but as I said, it's potentially more an accessibility issue.

Originally Posted by Sled

Make a can of beer $100 each to end alcoholism, domestic abuse, child abuse, drunk driving and the other numerous amounts of issues that stem from alcohol.

Only 2 of the above things are even actually related to alcohol in your example, and if you change drunk driving to DUI, then really only alcoholism is. Do you really think the other stuff will go away simply be raising the cost of alcohol?

Originally Posted by Sled

Take away the driving license of any person that has a BMI over 30 and not allow them to ride share or use public transit so they have to walk or bike everywhere.

I'm going to assume that you are alluding to the complications of obesity as opposed to simply having a BMI of 30. In that case, there ARE restrictions on those who have diabetes and have to take insulin, or those that have had a cardiac event etc etc.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Sled

Forcing a healthy person to do something against their will (even if it helps them) is not right.

Should we abolish seat-belt laws, how about DUI laws, cigarette tax (actually, don't answer that one)? If you live in a vaccuum, then go ahead. The issue is that we don't. We live in a society and one that has placed certain rules/restrictions in place to protect all of us. These types of statements epitomizes the issue, it sounds like it's all about "you, us, freedoms, rah rah rah" but all I hear is "me me me." As mentioned before, by this point, I would argue that most of us simply don't care why someone chooses not to be vaccinated, but don't blame the rest of us for not being exactly thrilled when those who make choices akin to living in a vaccuum then gets all idealistic about being left out of society.

Originally Posted by Sled

Should all babies get vaccinated in the hospital regardless of religious or personal beliefs? I think the parents are stupid not to but I certainly wouldn't condone forcibly taking an infant from their parents to immunize them.

There's certainly an argument to be made they have an obligation. Where do you draw the line? How about parents who willingly withhold life saving treatment from a child because of whatever reason. That would certainly be looked as at neglect and those kids could potentially be removed. What if that disease turned out to be measles, or pertussis, or tetanus? All things that could have been prevented by a vaccine. If we would find them in neglect for not having their child treated for the actual disease, should we not at least consider the decision to prevent their child from getting the disease in the first place?

Originally Posted by Sled

The great divide of humanity keeps getting wider I fear. Race, Religion, Sexuality, Political, and now vaccination.

There should be no divide on this issue. If there is, it's coming from a vocal minority spouting off misinformation, using youtube videos and likes/dislike ratios to prove their point, all while putting the blame on everybody else. The reason there's more backlash now is simply because the rest of us are sick and tired of coddling and catering to lies, selfish ambitions hidden behind apparent moral outrage and the fact that we could all be moving forward if not for them.

This pandemic has killed close to 4.5 million people across the world, and in less than a years' time, humanity was able to research, develop, test, produce, distribute, provide, basically free of charge, a solution to try and stop it from spreading and killing more. It should be bloody celebrated and yet here we are. We put two people on the moon and the world celebrated our collective science and technological achievement (which we should) despite basically everyone on earth not actually benefiting directly from said achievement. With this, you could be saving the life of a loved one, a friend, your neighbor, and all of a sudden it's "how does this benefit me?" The Pfizer shot just got approved permanently by the FDA which should be another step forward but instead, society braces itself for the next contrived argument from those who would hold us back.

Originally Posted by Sled

Anyone else tired of the anger?

Tired? Man, we all are. It's been a ridiculously tiring year and a half. Tired of anger at those who would keep us in this perpetually? No. It only grows as this continues.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

Are you vaccinated against a flu? Y

Well, I get flu shot every year. I start doing this since I reach 55 and I'm 61 now, I do not get flu anymore.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jbo

This thread is bizarre. Every 5-6 pages a new crazy comes out, gets disproven with facts and ends on some Nazi comparison.

NEXT

We got a communism double play on that one. Swing out with both. I am confused if I am the Nazi or the Communist in his scenario or I am both?

[btimbit]

Damn nazi communists

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

We may get to a point where Covid is like the Flu, if we don’t get a high percentage vaccinated, we are several years away from that, in all likelihood.

Can we all take several more years of restrictions, semi lockdowns, masking and economic impact? I don’t think we can.

The alternative is that everyone gets vaccinated, and we can probably go restriction free starting sometime around Christmas, likely forever.

Hate defending the 'other side' but whatever - Canada does have a high rate of vaccination already, and your bottom two paras could literally have been written a year ago, which is the point a lot of vaxx hesitant people are making as the goalposts keep changing.

Right or wrong its helping add fuel to their fire, and it is clear even 90%+ vaccination isn't going to stop variant breakthroughs. But luckily, unvaxxed are the ones taking the risk, if you're vaccinated the 'real' risk is gone (death/serious complications). Sure you can contract it but the breakthrough death rates are laughably lower compared to many other common diseases we do not take this approach on.

[dino7c]

Imagine Theo telling us not to put something in our body because its harmful...the Flames captain who almost missed the season opener in Japan because he was doing lines off hookers boobs in an alley


edit: My childhood hero has banned me on twitter for a similar yet not as graphic statement

[Johnny Makarov]

Is there a way we can give these anti-vaxxers small pox, polio, measles and whooping cough?

Maybe in a homeopathic cocktail?

[GioforPM]

Deleted because meme had bad apostrophe

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Imagine Theo telling us not to put something in our body because its harmful...the Flames captain who almost missed the season opener in Japan because he was doing lines of hookers boobs in an alley

I get your point.... but that was some money well spent.