[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[Julio]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

The 12,000+ deaths in VAERS is verified. Ban away.

From your source:


Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

[Julio]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I hope so, but I can see it being more challenging mid-season.

Stamps are doing it mid season,

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Boreal

https://twitter.com/user/status/1429938918539943936

LOL, I’d be pissed if my seat was section 207, row 21, seat 6 and I’d risk being held responsible for a franchise folding.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Bingo

From a web site standpoint it's pretty hard. The last thing I want to do is advocate for our moderators to silence the less popular side of an argument..

Straw man. "Less popular" is not the same as "deliberately false and misleading". You are legitimizing these lies by providing a platform for their dissemination, and you are not encouraging debate, you are just allowing it to be poisoned.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CASe333

I personally find the discourse is much more valuable by letting posters have free reign for the most part. Bad posts with misinformation are readily and quickly shown to be just that. Its pretty clear that anti-vaxxer arguments don't have any substance when something ridiculous is posted like housley4Prez did and he provides a link that is shown in multiple posts to not support his position at all. Its valuable to read because when you run into one of your friends and he surprises you with some of these misinformed views its all the easier to clearly articulate why they are being idiots.

Also, even though it is very unlikely that the posters of the misinformation will change their minds, there are likely other people reading who haven't yet made up their minds, or have heard some of this misinformation and are thus confused/uncertain, and the information that is subsequently provided here in response may very well change their minds.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also, even though it is very unlikely that the posters of the misinformation will change their minds, there are likely other people reading who haven't yet made up their minds, or have heard some of this misinformation and are thus confused/uncertain, and the information that is subsequently provided here in response may very well change their minds.

The risk is by having it debated people will read “both sides” like their is an evaluation to be made on which information is more likely to be true. Then they will select the information that makes them feel better.

There is risk in framing this as a debate that merits discussion. It does not. There is the vaccines clearly have a net benefit to society side and people who are scientifically illiterate and can’t do simple math side.

If any of our anti vax folks are still posting right now what do you believe the death rate from Covid to be.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GGG

The risk is by having it debated people will read “both sides” like their is an evaluation to be made on which information is more likely to be true. Then they will select the information that makes them feel better.

There is risk in framing this as a debate that merits discussion. It does not. There is the vaccines clearly have a net benefit to society side and people who are scientifically illiterate and can’t do simple math side.

If any of our anti vax folks are still posting right now what do you believe the death rate from Covid to be.

Anyone who has an open mind does not see this as 'both sides'. Fear that they will is unfounded IMO.

There is a percentage of people who believe what they believe, and are not going to be swayed. But there are some that can and will be swayed. Every person that is educated from the 'discussion' is a win that is worth the effort.

[Flame On]

I look at it pretty simply. If you don't have to care about your fellow-man and not get vaccinated. I don't have to care about you being left out of things because of your own choice.
Great decision by the team and the org.

[Reggie Dunlop]

'Riders have to 'Rider.

EDIT: As others have pointed out, the headline is clickbait. My bad.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1429991600311083013

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Anyone who has an open mind does not see this as 'both sides'. Fear that they will is unfounded IMO.

There is a percentage of people who believe what they believe, and are not going to be swayed. But there are some that can and will be swayed. Every person that is educated from the 'discussion' is a win that is worth the effort.

Those that don’t see it as both sides are already vaccinated. I think overcoming objections to vaccines is better done on a compassionate individual basis then people coming across a #### storm and a bunch of links.

[Sled]

The way some people are acting towards unvaxxed people in this tread is actually quite scary. I think if this conversation was all done in a physical room people would be tying those that think different then you up and dragging them into the street and shooting them right on the spot with the vaccine.

I chose to get vaccinated for my own reasons and they are my reasons to keep. For people that don't want to get vaccinated so be it, I don't care. I ignore it, at this point they are in a minority.

However:

If you folks are so concerned about everyone's health why not lobby to make Happy Meals $35 each to end childhood obesity.

Make a can of beer $100 each to end alcoholism, domestic abuse, child abuse, drunk driving and the other numerous amounts of issues that stem from alcohol.

Take away the driving license of any person that has a BMI over 30 and not allow them to ride share or use public transit so they have to walk or bike everywhere.

Forcing a healthy person to do something against their will (even if it helps them) is not right.

Should all babies get vaccinated in the hospital regardless of religious or personal beliefs? I think the parents are stupid not to but I certainly wouldn't condone forcibly taking an infant from their parents to immunize them.

The great divide of humanity keeps getting wider I fear. Race, Religion, Sexuality, Political, and now vaccination.

Anyone else tired of the anger?

[Northendzone]

So, does anyone have any idea what the proof of vaccination here in Alberta looks like?

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by jammies

Straw man. "Less popular" is not the same as "deliberately false and misleading". You are legitimizing these lies by providing a platform for their dissemination, and you are not encouraging debate, you are just allowing it to be poisoned.

As repugnant, abhorrent, revolting, repulsive, repellent, disgusting, offensive, objectionable, vile, foul, nasty, loathsome, sickening, nauseating, nauseous, hateful, detestable, execrable, abominable, monstrous, appalling, reprehensible, deplorable, insufferable, intolerable, unacceptable, despicable, contemptible, beyond the pale, unspeakable, noxious, baseless, hideous, grisly, horrendous, atrocious, awful, terrible, dreadful, frightful, obnoxious, unsavory, unpalatable, unpleasant, disagreeable, distasteful, dislikeable, off-putting, displeasing, ghastly, horrible, horrid, gross, putrid, sick-making, yucky, godawful, beastly, bogging, skanky, noisome, disgustful, and loathly the comments anti-vaxxers make, there is great education in the rebuttals the community makes.

Some people will always be a lost cause, but I am sure many have learned much from this vaccine 'debate'. Whether it is information to strengthen your arguments to combat 'intellectually challenge' in your sphere or for those who read the propaganda on FB and didn't know what to believe. They are many well thought out logical arguments that form clear rebuttals to those who are open to it.

I am firmly on the side of vaccines but I am also firmly on the side of free-speech.

The stage should continue to be open to those who want to embarrass themselves with no critical thought or logical arguments and to the champions who counter them.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Sled

The way some people are acting towards unvaxxed people in this tread is actually quite scary. I think if this conversation was all done in a physical room people would be tying those that think different then you up and dragging them into the street and shooting them right on the spot with the vaccine.

I chose to get vaccinated for my own reasons and they are my reasons to keep. For people that don't want to get vaccinated so be it, I don't care. I ignore it, at this point they are in a minority.

However:

If you folks are so concerned about everyone's health why not lobby to make Happy Meals $35 each to end childhood obesity.

Make a can of beer $100 each to end alcoholism, domestic abuse, child abuse, drunk driving and the other numerous amounts of issues that stem from alcohol.

Take away the driving license of any person that has a BMI over 30 and not allow them to ride share or use public transit so they have to walk or bike everywhere.

Forcing a healthy person to do something against their will (even if it helps them) is not right.

Should all babies get vaccinated in the hospital regardless of religious or personal beliefs? I think the parents are stupid not to but I certainly wouldn't condone forcibly taking an infant from their parents to immunize them.

The great divide of humanity keeps getting wider I fear. Race, Religion, Sexuality, Political, and now vaccination.

Anyone else tired of the anger?

Ok, hold on. Let’s not get carried away.

Leave beer out of this!

[shawnjohn]

Originally Posted by Sled

The way some people are acting towards unvaxxed people in this tread is actually quite scary. I think if this conversation was all done in a physical room people would be tying those that think different then you up and dragging them into the street and shooting them right on the spot with the vaccine.



I chose to get vaccinated for my own reasons and they are my reasons to keep. For people that don't want to get vaccinated so be it, I don't care. I ignore it, at this point they are in a minority.



However:



If you folks are so concerned about everyone's health why not lobby to make Happy Meals $35 each to end childhood obesity.



Make a can of beer $100 each to end alcoholism, domestic abuse, child abuse, drunk driving and the other numerous amounts of issues that stem from alcohol.



Take away the driving license of any person that has a BMI over 30 and not allow them to ride share or use public transit so they have to walk or bike everywhere.



Forcing a healthy person to do something against their will (even if it helps them) is not right.



Should all babies get vaccinated in the hospital regardless of religious or personal beliefs? I think the parents are stupid not to but I certainly wouldn't condone forcibly taking an infant from their parents to immunize them.



The great divide of humanity keeps getting wider I fear. Race, Religion, Sexuality, Political, and now vaccination.



Anyone else tired of the anger?

Great post, would like to see more of these types of balanced comments. Makes for a great forum!

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[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Also, I sympathize with the moderators with respect to the position threads like this put them in. It isn't an easy one.

Sometimes you just gotta hope everyone tires themselves out for a bit.


Also, it's August on a hockey forum

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

'Riders have to 'Rider.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1429991600311083013

That’s a typical trashy title of a 2nd rate publication. What the article actually says is they’re the only cfl team who hasn’t announced anything yet. The article is trying to drum up controversy.

If they don’t come up with a policy, then have at ‘er but that’s actually not what the club said.

[GeoffSK]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

'Riders have to 'Rider.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1429991600311083013

This is a click bait article. All it states is that the roughriders have not indicated that they would follow other teams or not yet.

The quote from CEO was from June. Things have changed since then.

They have a bye week this week so hopefully follow the rest of the league.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cupofjoe

As repugnant, abhorrent, revolting, repulsive, repellent, disgusting, offensive, objectionable, vile, foul, nasty, loathsome, sickening, nauseating, nauseous, hateful, detestable, execrable, abominable, monstrous, appalling, reprehensible, deplorable, insufferable, intolerable, unacceptable, despicable, contemptible, beyond the pale, unspeakable, noxious, baseless, hideous, grisly, horrendous, atrocious, awful, terrible, dreadful, frightful, obnoxious, unsavory, unpalatable, unpleasant, disagreeable, distasteful, dislikeable, off-putting, displeasing, ghastly, horrible, horrid, gross, putrid, sick-making, yucky, godawful, beastly, bogging, skanky, noisome, disgustful, and loathly the comments anti-vaxxers make, there is great education in the rebuttals the community makes.

Some people will always will be a lost cause, but I am sure many have learned much from this vaccine 'debate'. Whether it is information to strengthen your arguments to combat 'intellectually challenge' in your sphere or for those who read the propaganda on FB and didn't know what to believe. They are many well thought out logical arguments that form clear rebuttals to those who are open to it.

I am firmly on the side of vaccines but I am also firmly on the side of free-speech.

The stage should continue to be open to those who want to embarrass themselves with no critical thought or logical arguments and to the champions who counter them.

Unvaccinated people are harming others. Period.

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Unvaccinated people are harming others. Period.

Correct and ....?