[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

SOURCE

Note... it's not Russian. Nice try though, slugger.

Okay, cool. Thanks for the reminder...

What You Need to Know

• COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
• Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines under the most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.
• CDC recommends everyone 12 years and older get vaccinated as soon as possible to help protect against COVID-19 and the related, potentially severe complications that can occur.
• CDC, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and other federal agencies are monitoring the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
• Adverse events described on this page have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)external icon.
• VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event following any vaccination.
• Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

[morgin]

It’s not feasible for forums. Social media platforms have thousands of engineers working on tools to at scale deal with misinformation. And even they are terrible at it. Forums are 1990s tech with a new coat of paint. Without empowering the community to all be mods through a reddit style upvote downvote system that hides posts that are downvoted enough, it’s not practical for a small mod team to proactively fight that fight. And that downvote system has a lot of problems too when it comes to popularity contest style vote brigading. (This is not that, but it’s a real problem with vote system moderation).

Bingo and co do a great job, but it’s not realistic to ask them to be responsible for combating anti vaxxer propaganda. No one here is going to be swayed by it and the reach of these posts is a few hundred relatively saavy internet users at most. Best is to just let the man shout into the void and ignore him.

[Housley4Prez]

Originally Posted by sekimet

Woah, there is a lot to unpack here. I will get back to you on how some of your concerns and information are flat out wrong when I am off of work, but also you should be following up with the evidence that has led you to these conclusions to start with. It is hard for me to correct you, when you don't source your information so I can see the study methodology myself.


In the mean time can you source me where you are getting this information? Any evidence on ADE being a concern to start (All peer reviewed evidence is unclear on if clinical ADE is a conern)(https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5) (https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questio...vid-19-disease), but then also Dr. Bridles peer reviewed study on spike proteins "congregating" which I cannot find, and also where you are getting any linkage between the vaccine and miscarriages?
Thanks!

On Dr. Bridle, despite getting canceled by the media after his revelations went out, here was a speech he made on CPAC discussing his findings.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

I would get banned for posting unverifiable claims about NHL players' personal lives. But posting misleading information about COVID during the height of a global pandemic is just a "less popular opinion".

Not really a good comparison. I'd get banned if all I posted was N word memes but that doesn't have anything to do with covid

I don't blame the mods for not wanting to get in the middle of this type of thing, start having to fact check everything and sending warnings to people just for being obtuse and wrong. Screw that

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Eyes on Israel, friend. They got one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. And they're priming for round three!

The ministry recommends this "so as to avoid any suspicion, even coincidental, of a correlation between the vaccine" and these possible conditions and effects, the guidelines stated. The ministry also emphasized that there is no proof of damage or danger to mother or fetus caused by taking the vaccine.

So hold on a sec, the actual reason is to prevent the perception of hazard, not a proven hazard. Please STFU.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^Also, he said over 12 000 deaths directly from the vaccine as reported by VAERS, but context is important. They are required to report ANY death following vaccination, but clear cause and effect between the vaccine and death cannot necessarily be determined.

Also, the number is much lower: 6789 which is 0.0019% of those who were vaccinated.

Again, you have more risk taking an Advil than you do from these shots.

Good luck to you Housley, you're going to be very lonely in the coming months.

[Fuzz]

I'm not asking the mods to fact check every little post and thing, but this loser is purposefully misinforming, and I kinda feel like they have a duty to prevent this. I mean, come on, we have a ####ing swear filter around here, yet civilization harming lies go unchecked? You know there are some reading this thread who are nodding along, buying into this garbage, just as Housley4Prez has? Stop the ####ing rot.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Because that's all you typically put into information gathering. Type into Google claim, followed by "debunked", read headline, and feel snug and warm again.

Literally from the CDC site on VAERS deaths, it literally does not imply causation. All it says is they got vaccinated and then died. Stick to your beliefs if you want but at least don't lie to misinform others.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare

. More than 357 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 16, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,789 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

[Tron_fdc]

ADE has been disproven all over the internet and in medical journals as well.

I mean, at least to bring something new to the table here.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32785649/

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

SOURCE

Note... it's not Russian. Nice try though, slugger.

"Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 357 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 16, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,789 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."



These don't look like the numbers you were posting. I think you just disproved yourself unless I'm not reading it properly.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Not really a good comparison. I'd get banned if all I posted was N word memes but that doesn't have anything to do with covid

that's not a good comparison either, N-word memes would be banning for offensive/derogatory content. I'm comparing one example of misinformation with another type of misinformation. Bingo is arguing that it would be extremely time consuming for mods to fact check the baseless claims happening here, and yet we have individual community members doing it like within seconds.

we don't need an army of professional validators or some AWS-powered cloud AI to figure out what's good and what's not. if this is the kind of discussion that Bingo and the mods believe is worth hosting on their site then fine, but to me it's frustrating because we should be so far beyond this by now.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Because that's all you typically put into information gathering. Type into Google claim, followed by "debunked", read headline, and feel snug and warm again.

Funny how the CDC admits that people who die "with" covid got included into stats of those who died "from" covid... and you don't bat an eye.

But then when hundreds of thousands of people report their experiences to VAERS after getting their shots, you smear them, silence them, and ultimately go back to ignoring them.

Those VAERS reports must be filed without fraud, otherwise it's a heavy penalty imposed if caught. Must be those pesky Russians again, eh?

Must be nice to know that with the makers of these things having ZERO liability if something goes wrong, they'll have you guys to go in and protect them for free.

In Canada, our data reporting system only accounts for 72 hours. If you have any side effects outside of that, tough luck, because we can't report anything after that window closes.

At least the government will be kind enough to pay for funerals.

I didn't google "debunked" anything. I simply googled "VAERS CDC covid death" and a reuters article popped up, among countless others debunking your claim. Do you have a problem with the source? There's lots more to choose from.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

that's not a good comparison either, N-word memes would be banning for offensive/derogatory content. I'm comparing one example of misinformation with another type of misinformation. Bingo is arguing that it would be extremely time consuming for mods to fact check the baseless claims happening here, and yet we have individual community members doing it like within seconds.

we don't need an army of professional validators or some AWS-powered cloud AI to figure out what's good and what's not. if this is the kind of discussion that Bingo and the mods believe is worth hosting on their site then fine, but to me it's frustrating because we should be so far beyond this by now.

I know it was a bad comparison, that was exactly my point

[morgin]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm not asking the mods to fact check every little post and thing, but this loser is purposefully misinforming, and I kinda feel like they have a duty to prevent this. I mean, come on, we have a ####ing swear filter around here, yet civilization harming lies go unchecked? You know there are some reading this thread who are nodding along, buying into this garbage, just as Housley4Prez has? Stop the ####ing rot.

Don’t give him attention. Move the conversation along. Stop responding. You can’t change these people’s minds, their critical thinking and information evaluation skills are nonexistent, and him shouting into the void on cpuck isn’t likely going to sway anyone on this. A quick debunk and general reminder all of his info is false for anyone who has been in a cave for the last 18 months, and move on. That’s happened now and it’s more than enough. Engaging with him or people like him is pointless and caustic. He’ll move on to a new outlet once he can’t get his endorphins from being the contrarian hero.

[shawnjohn]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The FDA just gave Pzifer full approval. So that argument is gone (to be replaced by “they rushed the approval”).

Lol what do you think happened between Sunday evening and Monday morning?

Was there some monumental stamp that came out of the air and stamped this thing at 12:01am est?!

Some of you guys are sheep

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

On Dr. Bridle, despite getting canceled by the media after his revelations went out, here was a speech he made on CPAC discussing his findings.

Bridle made fundamental misstatements about how the vaccines even work, but let’s just gloss over that.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...1087ba0b1071b1

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ccines-spike-/

https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-s...accine-safety/

https://www.kxan.com/news/national-n...ed-by-experts/

Other notable CPAC speakers: Mo Brooks, Dana Loesch, James O’Keefe, Lauren Boebert, etc.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by shawnjohn

Lol what do you think happened between Sunday evening and Monday morning?

Was there some monumental stamp that came out of the air and stamped this thing at 12:01am est?!

Some of you guys are sheep

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Probably the people at the FDA came back to work and issued to notice that they’d been working on for a while.

When do you think they should have announced it? A year after they were ready?

[PepsiFree]

When we’ve followed up people trivialising the Holocaust with round 100 of the same debunked misinformation (and not just “oh someone said this about a politician and it was wrong” but “someone says this about this health issue and it’s killing people”, it’s sort of fair to wonder where the line is.

I think the mods generally do a fantastic job so I have no complaints. And, as much as I totally disagree with anti-vaxxers or vaccine hesitant people, I appreciate the freedom for them to share their views and concerns. But when it comes to purposeful spreading of misinformation, the type that’s killing people, then I don’t really want to participate in a board where that’s not moderated at all.

[Housley4Prez]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

When we’ve followed up people trivialising the Holocaust with round 100 of the same debunked misinformation (and not just “oh someone said this about a politician and it was wrong” but “someone says this about this health issue and it’s killing people”, it’s sort of fair to wonder where the line is.

I think the mods generally do a fantastic job so I have no complaints. And, as much as I totally disagree with anti-vaxxers or vaccine hesitant people, I appreciate the freedom for them to share their views and concerns. But when it comes to purposeful spreading of misinformation, the type that’s killing people, then I don’t really want to participate in a board where that’s not moderated at all.

Oh come the ###### on. Get over yourself.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Oh come the ###### on. Get over yourself.

No, that was a pretty accurate description of what you're doing