[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[sureLoss]

66% of Canadians support a vaccine passport for non-essential activities according to a poll

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/most-can...poll-1.5556167

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looks like BC is moving to bar unvaccinated people from non-essential businesses.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1429149588997369857

https://twitter.com/user/status/1429152791545610241

Excellent news! I love this province.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

66% of Canadians support a vaccine passport for non-essential activities according to a poll

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/most-can...poll-1.5556167

I'm pretty sure I just heard FireItUp's last brain cell just make a popping sound

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I don’t get why it’s non essential that requires a vaccine passport. That’s backwards. It should be essential services that require a vaccine. Schools, hospitals, courts, government buildings, banks, grocery stores, transit etc.

Non essential places like restaurants and movie theatres should be up to the individual companies.

As I’ve said before, I’d go one step further. I’d mandate a covid vaccine to do the following things:

- renew drivers license
- apply or renew gov benefits
- apply or renew passport
- renew vehicle registration
- file tax return, failing that to get a tax refund
- enter a hospital or doctors office as either a patient or visitor

We’d be vaccinated real ####ing quick, especially the government benefits.

In fact, I’d go further. Anyone unvaxxed should have heir CERB benefits retroactively clawed back if proof not provided by 10 weeks from today.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I don’t get why it’s non essential that requires a vaccine passport. That’s backwards. It should be essential services that require a vaccine. Schools, hospitals, courts, government buildings, banks, grocery stores, transit etc.

Non essential places like restaurants and movie theatres should be up to the individual companies.

As I’ve said before, I’d go one step further. I’d mandate a covid vaccine to do the following things:

- renew drivers license
- apply or renew gov benefits
- apply or renew passport
- renew vehicle registration
- file tax return, failing that to get a tax refund
- enter a hospital or doctors office as either a patient or visitor

We’d be vaccinated real ####ing quick, especially the government benefits.

In fact, I’d go further. Anyone unvaxxed should have heir CERB benefits retroactively clawed back if proof not provided by 10 weeks from today.

Lets implement China's social credit system while we're at it

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I don’t get why it’s non essential that requires a vaccine passport. That’s backwards. It should be essential services that require a vaccine. Schools, hospitals, courts, government buildings, banks, grocery stores, transit etc.

Non essential places like restaurants and movie theatres should be up to the individual companies.

As I’ve said before, I’d go one step further. I’d mandate a covid vaccine to do the following things:

- renew drivers license
- apply or renew gov benefits
- apply or renew passport
- renew vehicle registration
- file tax return, failing that to get a tax refund
- enter a hospital or doctors office as either a patient or visitor

We’d be vaccinated real ####ing quick, especially the government benefits.

In fact, I’d go further. Anyone unvaxxed should have heir CERB benefits retroactively clawed back if proof not provided by 10 weeks from today.

You are using your mandate to punish people in order to get them vaccinated. Public safety does not seem to be your concern.

Add or require a negative rapid test within x days before accessing these services then that would be a reasonable option designed to prevent the spread of the disease.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GGG

You are using your mandate to punish people in order to get them vaccinated. Public safety does not seem to be your concern.

Add or require a negative rapid test within x days before accessing these services then that would be a reasonable option designed to prevent the spread of the disease.

What part of those wouldn’t promote public safety? Public safety is literally the only concern when talking about vaccinations. Is here some other reason people get jabbed? What other consideration exists when choosing to be vaccinated? Well, maybe people with a needle kink but who am I to judge.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Lets implement China's social credit system while we're at it

Slippery slope, slippery slope!

DEAR GOD WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SlIPPERY SLOPE.

Did I do that right for you?

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Slippery slope, slippery slope!

DEAR GOD WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SlIPPERY SLOPE.

Did I do that right for you?

Thank you Ludacris, very cool!

[Monahammer]

This thread is a near constant reminder that we're well and truly boned as a species. I hate to be pessimistic but if we can't group together sufficiently against covid, we stand no chance at all against something more ethereal but threatening like climate change. If an alien race showed up to enslave us the chances are high the proportion of the population that would immediately flip to support them over humanity would be above 25% .

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Let the hunger games play out guys, two people I know who didn't get the vax because reasons caught the virus this week. None of these muppets wear masks in public, for whatever reason they're incapable of grasping how infectious this is. Just let the experiment run, there should be less idiots going forward.

I'm all over this, save for those who are still ineligible (young kids) or never will be (allergies, etc). F everybody else. Bury your head in the sand all you want. Listen to all the BS conspiracy stuff all you want. Go ahead and risk your own life but leave the rest of us alone.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This thread is a near constant reminder that we're well and truly boned as a species. I hate to be pessimistic but if we can't group together sufficiently against covid, we stand no chance at all against something more ethereal but threatening like climate change. If an alien race showed up to enslave us the chances are high the proportion of the population that would immediately flip to support them over humanity would be above 25% .

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Haha no, I didn't mean you. See the poster below for an example.



Nah big boy, you don't have a clue. If you've done your research you've wasted your time. Don't want to be lumped in with anti-vaxxers? That's fine. Anti-science, then. Conspiracy theorist. Whatever you want. It doesn't matter if you were vaccinated for typhoid in 1950 or whatever, if you think the vaccine is a "magical injection" and still at this point don't understand how it works, you're a clown.

The rest goes for you and a few other posters here. Frankly, anyone who makes references to tyranny and Nazi Germany is an idiot, there are no two ways about it. You talk about propaganda and, ironically, you're the biggest buyer. You've been fooled, duped, and it was easy. You bought into a lie because it made you feel special, "oh, everyone is doing this thing... but what if they're wrong... that would make it so much better to be right... I would be so special for seeing through it!" It's the same story with flat-earthers, holocaust deniers, people who've "been abducted" by aliens. Sad people looking for something bigger than the world to believe them, something that finally makes them special and unique and undoes years of feeling inadequate, aimless, unimportant. You've come to believe it because you're a sucker. Most people are following the science and the facts and doing their best to be as educated as possible about something that can be difficult to fully understand. Sure, there are a lot of people following along, but you're doing the exact same thing. You're a follower, not a leader, you're not taking each thing as it comes and evaluating the science behind it, you're charting the same path you've been told to chart. The only difference is that you're being instructed by people whose motivations are to take another sucker. You slog around and complain about "propaganda" and "tyranny" and "taking whatever the government tells you" and you come out looking like a clown to anyone with half a brain. You talk about being called out because you're "not part of the crowd" which I hear a lot... do none of you ever consider that you might just be... wrong?

I know this will just be water off a ducks back to you. You believe in something so stupid, so strongly, that reason, logic, facts, and even common sense don't matter, so what is a post like this going to do? Nothing. I'm just tired of having to entertain the notions of the absolute dumbest members of society with baby gloves so that you can still feel special and meaningful.

I hope you all enjoy sitting at home, excluded from society, waiting to be right until the waiting ends one way or another. The life you're wasting by being stupid can't be bought back. So excuse people for being ok with policies that stop you from wasting anyone's life but your own.

This might be the best post I've ever read here.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

What part of those wouldn’t promote public safety? Public safety is literally the only concern when talking about vaccinations. Is here some other reason people get jabbed? What other consideration exists when choosing to be vaccinated? Well, maybe people with a needle kink but who am I to judge.

I was assuming your motivation for your plan is to increase vaccination rate based on the following quote.

We’d be vaccinated real ####ing quick, especially the government benefits.

So if the goal is to put pressure on people such that their life will be difficult to live in order so they get vaccinated then you might as well just have mandatory vaccination with all the ethical pros and cons. If people only have the illusion of choice then they don’t really have a choice.

Alternatively you can have the goal being so that the vaccinated aren’t affected by the decisions of the unvaccinated which would include options like testing in lieu of vaccines and restriction and testing protocol based on rT.

Essentially if you aren’t providing a reasonable accommodation option for people to take as alternative to getting the vaccine and then punishing them for not getting a vaccine you have created a mandatory vaccine.

So if that’s your goal then I think you should acknowledge that you are in favour of the state forcing people to get vaccinated

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You're a moron, and you and all the other morons like you need to be stopped. Over 80% of the people still catching and spreading this disease are morons like you who won't get vaccinated.

It's going to lead to many more needless deaths.

I hope the powers that be won't let morons, who are too stupid to get a simple vaccination, over run the hospitals.

Let them suffer in their basements and save the hospital beds and health care resources for people who deserve it.

Totally agree, as long as we're turning away smokers with lung cancer, alcoholics with cirrhosis, and let's not forget the obese, they can stay and home with their heart disease and diabetes, cause it's there own fault.
If a non vaccinated person gets hit by a drunk driver are they allowed to go to the hospital then? Or are they just banned for covid related reasons under your rules?

I'm fully vaccinated but also support someone else's decision not to be. I also believe we don't take away their basic human rights because I believe something different than they do, but that's just me.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Totally agree, as long as we're turning away smokers with lung cancer, alcoholics with cirrhosis, and let's not forget the obese, they can stay and home with their heart disease and diabetes, cause it's there own fault. Slippery slope.
If a non vaccinated person gets hit by a drunk driver are they allowed to go to the hospital then? Or are they just banned for covid related reasons under your rules?

I'm fully vaccinated but also support someone else's decision not to be. I also believe we don't take away their basic human rights because I believe something different than they do, but that's just me.

Ahh yes, the old strategy of comparing the dumbest members of society to addicts. No one is addicted to not getting a vaccine, unlike smokers, alcoholics and the obese.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Ahh yes, the old strategy of comparing the dumbest members of society to addicts. No one is addicted to not getting a vaccine, unlike smokers, alcoholics and the obese.

Sorry, I know lots of people who have quit smoking and I chose poorly when I said alcoholics as cirrhosis of the liver happens due to alcohol consumption not being addicted, lots at casual drinkers suffer from it too. As 40% of the adult population are obese I guess we have a lot of people addicted to food, or people too dumb to know how to maintain a healthy weight which would exclude them from medical care based on the previous proposal
Can we include people who do adventure sports or have someone fill out a form at the hospital to determine if the cause of their injury was stupid and then determine whether they will be helped or not.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Sorry, I know lots of people who have quit smoking and I chose poorly when I said alcoholics as cirrhosis of the liver happens due to alcohol consumption not being addicted, lots at casual drinkers suffer from it too. As 40% of the adult population are obese I guess we have a lot of people addicted to food, or people too dumb to know how to maintain a healthy weight which would exclude them from medical care based on the previous proposal
Can we include people who do adventure sports or have someone fill out a form at the hospital to determine if the cause of their injury was stupid and then determine whether they will be helped or not.

Tobacco and alcohol are taxed far beyond what it costs to treat the people with addiction and the health problems, obesity and accidents are a part of life that our high tax rates have taken care of for decades.

What we don't do is pay enough taxes to pay the healthcare system to take care of people with a highly infectious virus especially when it's now unnecessary due to a highly effective vaccine.

[JackIsBack]

I stay away from this thread - because just reading the tyrannical views on this thread makes me sick... and just because a majority of people believe it or want it, that doesn't make it right. Throughout history you can find cases where the majority has oppressed the minority and it has lead to great atrocities.

I only read a few of the past points, but someone said it right, where do we draw the line to helping our fellow citizens.

This is disease has been overblown at every turn by the governments of the world, together with the media, they have created fear and panic where none should exist. We are dehumanizing our fellow citizens and I think it should stop. Fear is a powerful emotion and you can convince all sorts of normally good people to do all manner of evils by wielding it.

Here is a good question, what happens if we find out the the vaccines are doing more harm than good? Should we then reverse our punishment regiment and turn it onto the vaccinated instead.

You see, the mRNA vaccine is not really a vaccine in the historical use of the term, it's a new technology that hijacks the patients cells at the injection site (although this is the intention, it's not always the outcome) and makes them create one protein (the spike protein) that is associated with the COVID19 virus... one out of about 28 or 29 proteins that can be used by your immune system to recognize the COVID19 virus and therefore create an immune response and produce antibodies that defend against the virus. The problem is that by only aiming the immune response to one of the proteins, you create a huge incentive (natural selection) for the virus to mutate that one protein, and guess what, that's exactly what we see happening in the variants (like the delta variant) that are spreading out of control around the world. That's called science... and by demeaning people like me that are trying to promote healthy skepticism and get real improvements in future medicines and vaccines, you are the problem and not the solution - this current vaccine has real side effects and real problems, and no amount of naming calling towards us is going to change that fact - It won't make you safer, it will do exactly the opposite.

There was a time, and not that long ago, when residential schools were popular and the majority of people support them, they were a HUGE mistake and the vaccine passports will eventually go down in history as a terrible idea along these same lines. If the passports came into effect today - currently I would be given a passport, or passing grade or however they work... but what about tomorrow? They can simply say that mine in invalid tomorrow because some other requirement is necessary, like a second booster (this is already the suggestion by the CDC - a third shot).... or maybe the flu shot is required. What happens if they don't want you travelling more than a certain distance from you home - they can add that to the requirements. The passports will dwarf into a social credit score, a score on how good a person you are... I don't drink or smoke, should I judge you on my expectations and push your score lower because you choose to do so. How ridiculous right? But isn't the precisely what you want to do because someone is not vaccinated. But... it will only be used for this one purpose... right, so I'm being ridiculous again... since when have you known a government to not expand a program, to not expand control - I can't think of one area. Go back through history.... most great atrocities have been committed by governments against their very people... Mao's China, Stalin in the Soviet Union, Cambodia, Nazi Germany.... but they weren't democratic you say.... Hitler was elected, more recently Chávez in Venezuela was also elected. But it could never happen here, that’s what Venezuelans thought too, in fact, it so easy to get the majority to turn against a minority group, it’s been done throughout history with ease.

People here will claim they are for free speech and then demand that I be censored because they simply disagree with me… but isn’t that exactly what free speech is? It’s not free speech if the only speech you allow is ones you agree with. Same with science…. It only takes one scientist, one experiment to prove a theory wrong - and it doesn’t matter how many scientist agree or agreed with it - it’s now wrong. Once the majority of people, scientist’s too, thought the earth was the centre of the universe - and they were WRONG. We may have thought or hoped that the mRNA vaccines would work for this COVID virus, I know I did, I know I got vaccinated, but more and more evidence is proving my original hope and thoughts to be WRONG. It doesn’t matter again if you believe me, it doesn’t matter if you ban or censor me, it doesn’t matter if the media tries to convince you otherwise, it doesn’t matter if Canada pushes these vaccines on the mass population, and it doesn’t matter if they mandate them... the shortcomings in these vaccines will remain until we fix them. I wonder, if we removed the liability exemption from these vaccine producers, governments, and doctors, if we released an unbiased media and scientific community to truly study them, if we opened up our minds to the truth - whatever it be…. If we truly would be having this conversation to day…. If we simply shined some light on this process and let the chips fall where they may. I think everyone is going to be shocked in short order of what has been going on here, the truth is going to come to light.

We are on a very bad path.... and I'm sickened by it and quite frankly… I’m sickened by many posts on here. What was that excuse again used at the Nuremberg trial - “I was just following orders”. Like in the French revolution, how long will it take before you’re on the wrong side and the guillotine is used against all those cheering the last poor chap who lost his head. Are we to ask before we help someone, have you been vaccinated? And that truly will be a sad day when it come, and by what I read on here, it could come very soon indeed.

[Snuffleupagus]

^^^ thanks for the laugh