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[Flame On]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Wierd that the Covid cult is so strong in the countries that are supposed to be so easy going (I guess your statement works both ways)


AND to be clear my position is not coming from that of an Anti Vaxxer (why everyone who questions the government/msm narrative is called an anti vaxxer is beyond me) I worked in the travel industry and have probably had more shots than most on here.


I have done my research, listened and read from many different experts (not the twitter type that I am sure you will accuse me of), looked at how different countries have approached this. Shaming and excluding those that choose not to have the jab, for whatever reason, making them out to be some sort of super spreader is right out of the 1930's propoganda strategy book, uncomfortable for some of you to admit, but true.


I guess I had better stay out of here because I don't follow the crowd.

The victim hood! I wish we were shaming these cretins! They deserve to be shamed if they choose not to get vaccinated.
Instead we're having lotteries, tiptoeing around them and treading on eggshells.
And while the handwringing antivaxxers dither, new strains are being produced and weakening existing measures.
And stop trying to invoke the 30's! Society drove out smokers in restaurants and public places and we managed to not set up deathcamps.
We've been good at shaming drink driving into a societal taboo (for the most part) and again, no death camps!
And now, if we have to have boosters due to the drawn out nature of a society that's not getting on board in a timely enough manner, it's going to take away from other parts of the world that haven't been able to get a single dose, let alone three!
Oh but be careful of the feelings. F that!

[Cain]

Originally Posted by Flame On

And stop trying to invoke the 30's! Society drove out smokers in restaurants and public places and we managed to not set up deathcamps.
We've been good at shaming drink driving into a societal taboo (for the most part) and again, no death camps!

Bit early to call isn't it?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

To be fair, smokers have been self-driven into voluntary death camps. There is a little huddled death camp outside every bar in North America where smokers go to slowly die together. Just because they aren't massive centralized forced death camps, doesn't mean they aren't death camps.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by UKflames

I guess I had better stay out of here because I don't follow the crowd.

yay

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Ummm, are you referring to me as one of those posters? If my comment came off that way, it was unintentional.

Haha no, I didn't mean you. See the poster below for an example.

Originally Posted by UKflames

AND to be clear my position is not coming from that of an Anti Vaxxer (why everyone who questions the government/msm narrative is called an anti vaxxer is beyond me) I worked in the travel industry and have probably had more shots than most on here.

I have done my research, listened and read from many different experts (not the twitter type that I am sure you will accuse me of), looked at how different countries have approached this. Shaming and excluding those that choose not to have the jab, for whatever reason, making them out to be some sort of super spreader is right out of the 1930's propoganda strategy book, uncomfortable for some of you to admit, but true.

Nah big boy, you don't have a clue. If you've done your research you've wasted your time. Don't want to be lumped in with anti-vaxxers? That's fine. Anti-science, then. Conspiracy theorist. Whatever you want. It doesn't matter if you were vaccinated for typhoid in 1950 or whatever, if you think the vaccine is a "magical injection" and still at this point don't understand how it works, you're a clown.

The rest goes for you and a few other posters here. Frankly, anyone who makes references to tyranny and Nazi Germany is an idiot, there are no two ways about it. You talk about propaganda and, ironically, you're the biggest buyer. You've been fooled, duped, and it was easy. You bought into a lie because it made you feel special, "oh, everyone is doing this thing... but what if they're wrong... that would make it so much better to be right... I would be so special for seeing through it!" It's the same story with flat-earthers, holocaust deniers, people who've "been abducted" by aliens. Sad people looking for something bigger than the world to believe them, something that finally makes them special and unique and undoes years of feeling inadequate, aimless, unimportant. You've come to believe it because you're a sucker. Most people are following the science and the facts and doing their best to be as educated as possible about something that can be difficult to fully understand. Sure, there are a lot of people following along, but you're doing the exact same thing. You're a follower, not a leader, you're not taking each thing as it comes and evaluating the science behind it, you're charting the same path you've been told to chart. The only difference is that you're being instructed by people whose motivations are to take another sucker. You slog around and complain about "propaganda" and "tyranny" and "taking whatever the government tells you" and you come out looking like a clown to anyone with half a brain. You talk about being called out because you're "not part of the crowd" which I hear a lot... do none of you ever consider that you might just be... wrong?

I know this will just be water off a ducks back to you. You believe in something so stupid, so strongly, that reason, logic, facts, and even common sense don't matter, so what is a post like this going to do? Nothing. I'm just tired of having to entertain the notions of the absolute dumbest members of society with baby gloves so that you can still feel special and meaningful.

I hope you all enjoy sitting at home, excluded from society, waiting to be right until the waiting ends one way or another. The life you're wasting by being stupid can't be bought back. So excuse people for being ok with policies that stop you from wasting anyone's life but your own.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Weird that the anti-vaxxers all seem to have taken the last 5 days off and 3 of them pop up unprompted today.

Who are the three posters you are labelling anti-vaxxers? I see one, who else are you including?

Correction: I see two now

[calf]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Wierd that the Covid cult is so strong in the countries that are supposed to be so easy going (I guess your statement works both ways)


AND to be clear my position is not coming from that of an Anti Vaxxer (why everyone who questions the government/msm narrative is called an anti vaxxer is beyond me) I worked in the travel industry and have probably had more shots than most on here.


I have done my research, listened and read from many different experts (not the twitter type that I am sure you will accuse me of), looked at how different countries have approached this. Shaming and excluding those that choose not to have the jab, for whatever reason, making them out to be some sort of super spreader is right out of the 1930's propoganda strategy book, uncomfortable for some of you to admit, but true.


I guess I had better stay out of here because I don't follow the crowd.

Being in the travel industry, you should know that you're not an airplane so you don't need to announce your departure

[GioforPM]

Speaking of research:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-delt...d=hp_lead_pos5

1)breakthrough cases remain relatively rare, and 2)are much less likely to result in severe infections:

The Delta variant of the Covid-19 virus appears to be breaking through the protection vaccines provide at a higher rate than previous strains, a Wall Street Journal analysis found, though infections among the fully inoculated remain a tiny fraction of overall cases, and symptoms tend to be milder.

U.S. states counted at least 193,204 so-called breakthrough cases among vaccinated people between Jan. 1 and early August, according to data that health departments in 44 states and Washington, D.C., provided to the Journal. The figure represents 0.1% of the more than 136 million fully vaccinated people in those states and the capital.

[…]

Health departments said that breakthrough cases represented a tiny fraction of Covid-19 infections and resulted in very few hospitalizations or deaths.

Health officials say the milder cases are evidence that the vaccines are working well, though they add some people have misinterpreted the higher rate of breakthroughs with the Delta variant as proof that they are ineffective.

“Let’s be real, here: Breakthrough infections are sort of OK,” said Larry Corey, a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. “You get infected and you have a cold, maybe an achy fever for 24 hours. But you don’t end up in the hospital, and you don’t end up with that 2.5% chance of dying once you are hospitalized.”

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Haha no, I didn't mean you. See the poster below for an example.



Nah big boy, you don't have a clue. If you've done your research you've wasted your time. Don't want to be lumped in with anti-vaxxers? That's fine. Anti-science, then. Conspiracy theorist. Whatever you want. It doesn't matter if you were vaccinated for typhoid in 1950 or whatever, if you think the vaccine is a "magical injection" and still at this point don't understand how it works, you're a clown.

The rest goes for you and a few other posters here. Frankly, anyone who makes references to tyranny and Nazi Germany is an idiot, there are no two ways about it. You talk about propaganda and, ironically, you're the biggest buyer. You've been fooled, duped, and it was easy. You bought into a lie because it made you feel special, "oh, everyone is doing this thing... but what if they're wrong... that would make it so much better to be right... I would be so special for seeing through it!" It's the same story with flat-earthers, holocaust deniers, people who've "been abducted" by aliens. Sad people looking for something bigger than the world to believe them, something that finally makes them special and unique and undoes years of feeling inadequate, aimless, unimportant. You've come to believe it because you're a sucker. Most people are following the science and the facts and doing their best to be as educated as possible about something that can be difficult to fully understand. Sure, there are a lot of people following along, but you're doing the exact same thing. You're a follower, not a leader, you're not taking each thing as it comes and evaluating the science behind it, you're charting the same path you've been told to chart. The only difference is that you're being instructed by people whose motivations are to take another sucker. You slog around and complain about "propaganda" and "tyranny" and "taking whatever the government tells you" and you come out looking like a clown to anyone with half a brain. You talk about being called out because you're "not part of the crowd" which I hear a lot... do none of you ever consider that you might just be... wrong?

I know this will just be water off a ducks back to you. You believe in something so stupid, so strongly, that reason, logic, facts, and even common sense don't matter, so what is a post like this going to do? Nothing. I'm just tired of having to entertain the notions of the absolute dumbest members of society with baby gloves so that you can still feel special and meaningful.

I hope you all enjoy sitting at home, excluded from society, waiting to be right until the waiting ends one way or another. The life you're wasting by being stupid can't be bought back. So excuse people for being ok with policies that stop you from wasting anyone's life but your own.

It's ironic that the ones preaching they want to save lives, are the same ones who want to make life difficult for the people who disagree with them. We live in a country where we have the freedom to choose whether or not to get vaccinated, and for some reason, it's now okay to shame and segregate the people that aren't okay with vaccines.

Do you know fetal tissues are used in vaccines from various aborted fetuses from the 1970's and 1980's? The Pfizer & Moderna vaccines performed tests using fetal cell lines and Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development and production. Vaccines have also been linked to things like autism over the years. If more people knew things like this about the vaccines, I'm sure less people would okay with taking them. Now, if someone would rather take the over 99% chance of beating Covid without a vaccine (fact) over getting the jab, that's perfectly fine.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

It's ironic that the ones preaching they want to save lives, are the same ones who want to make life difficult for the people who disagree with them. We live in a country where we have the freedom to choose whether or not to get vaccinated, and for some reason, it's now okay to shame and segregate the people that aren't okay with vaccines.

Do you know fetal tissues are used in vaccines from various aborted fetuses from the 1970's and 1980's? The Pfizer & Moderna vaccines performed tests using fetal cell lines and Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development and production. Vaccines have also been linked to things like autism over the years. If more people knew things like this about the vaccines, I'm sure less people would okay with taking them. Now, if someone would rather take the over 99% chance of beating Covid without a vaccine (fact) over getting the jab, that's perfectly fine.

And there goes your credibility. Really, every single post from you should just be gibberish, because that's what that statement is.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

It's ironic that the ones preaching they want to save lives, are the same ones who want to make life difficult for the people who disagree with them. We live in a country where we have the freedom to choose whether or not to get vaccinated, and for some reason, it's now okay to shame and segregate the people that aren't okay with vaccines.

Do you know fetal tissues are used in vaccines from various aborted fetuses from the 1970's and 1980's? The Pfizer & Moderna vaccines performed tests using fetal cell lines and Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development and production. Vaccines have also been linked to things like autism over the years. If more people knew things like this about the vaccines, I'm sure less people would okay with taking them. Now, if someone would rather take the over 99% chance of beating Covid without a vaccine (fact) over getting the jab, that's perfectly fine.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Ped

And there goes your credibility. Really, every single post from you should just be gibberish, because that's what that statement is.

Credibility was off the table ages ago, but yeah this is a clear step into utter madness.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

development and production. Vaccines have also been linked to things like autism over the years.

Probably not worth the time to respond to it all as I've had the misfortune of reading your past posts as well, but I've included a link here regarding the autism bit. If it is too much, just read the big words on the page.


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Speaking of research:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-delt...d=hp_lead_pos5

1)breakthrough cases remain relatively rare, and 2)are much less likely to result in severe infections:

The Delta variant of the Covid-19 virus appears to be breaking through the protection vaccines provide at a higher rate than previous strains, a Wall Street Journal analysis found, though infections among the fully inoculated remain a tiny fraction of overall cases, and symptoms tend to be milder.

U.S. states counted at least 193,204 so-called breakthrough cases among vaccinated people between Jan. 1 and early August, according to data that health departments in 44 states and Washington, D.C., provided to the Journal. The figure represents 0.1% of the more than 136 million fully vaccinated people in those states and the capital.

[…]

Health departments said that breakthrough cases represented a tiny fraction of Covid-19 infections and resulted in very few hospitalizations or deaths.

Health officials say the milder cases are evidence that the vaccines are working well, though they add some people have misinterpreted the higher rate of breakthroughs with the Delta variant as proof that they are ineffective.

“Let’s be real, here: Breakthrough infections are sort of OK,” said Larry Corey, a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. “You get infected and you have a cold, maybe an achy fever for 24 hours. But you don’t end up in the hospital, and you don’t end up with that 2.5% chance of dying once you are hospitalized.”

Great reference, thanks for this. And provides a nice balance to the politico article on Biden's decision to accelerate the booster which was short on data.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by Cain

Probably not worth the time to respond to it all as I've had the misfortune of reading your past posts as well, but I've included a link here regarding the autism bit. If it is too much, just read the big words on the page.


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

I much prefer this website that simplifies it.

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/

[Manhattanboy]

Heard back from the Flames.

They are being very flexible with our season tickets. If we wish we can defer the first half of the season and pick up our tickets in January and for the playoffs.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

It's ironic that the ones preaching they want to save lives, are the same ones who want to make life difficult for the people who disagree with them. We live in a country where we have the freedom to choose whether or not to get vaccinated, and for some reason, it's now okay to shame and segregate the people that aren't okay with vaccines.

Do you know fetal tissues are used in vaccines from various aborted fetuses from the 1970's and 1980's? The Pfizer & Moderna vaccines performed tests using fetal cell lines and Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development and production. Vaccines have also been linked to things like autism over the years. If more people knew things like this about the vaccines, I'm sure less people would okay with taking them. Now, if someone would rather take the over 99% chance of beating Covid without a vaccine (fact) over getting the jab, that's perfectly fine.

This post is terrible.

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by Ped

And there goes your credibility. Really, every single post from you should just be gibberish, because that's what that statement is.

Sure, the Vaccine and Autism connection has been debated over the years. But of course you didn't touch on anything else I've mentioned. Let me ask you this...does the majority of people have an over 99% chance of beating Covid? and are fetus cells used in vaccines? Waiting to here from you of course since you're so credible not to mention those things in your response.

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by Cain

Probably not worth the time to respond to it all as I've had the misfortune of reading your past posts as well, but I've included a link here regarding the autism bit. If it is too much, just read the big words on the page.


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

It's definitely not worth your time to respond to the other things I've mentioned because fact is we have over a 99% chance of beating Covid and fetus cells are used in vaccines. Keep getting those booster tho shots bud.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Sure, the Vaccine and Autism connection has been debated over the years. But of course you didn't touch on anything else I've mentioned. Let me ask you this...does the majority of people have an over 99% chance of beating Covid? and are fetus cells used in vaccines? Waiting to here from you of course since you're so credible not to mention those things in your response.

Define beating? Not dying? Or not suffering from permanent lung damage?