This post should be a bannable offence. Seriously. This garbage is terrible, dangerous and should have no place in any credible forum (online or elsewhere).
This thread has been IMO, the worst thread I have ever read through on CP. I mentioned in a previous post that I have tried to stay out of all the political nonsense this pandemic has dredged up but I love coming to CP and man, it's just so sad.
I'm not going to comment further on all the downplaying with "oh it's 99% survival" or whatever is being thrown around, but the effects of this pandemic is so much farther reaching than people might think.
People are showing up with terrible cancers way past the point of any treatment because they're afraid of hospitals. Families are being told they are not able to have a full complement of visitors to see loved ones that are dying because of restrictions, and these aren't people dying of COVID. Healthcare providers are traumatized by having to watch people die alone or to faciliate final phone calls or window visits because of this.
And before you say, it's not "our" fault, it's all these restrictions or some greater than thou BS about trying to fight for society's freedom, stop, just stop. These patients and families are sacrificing precious final moments for YOU, for all of us so that we can hopefully get things back to normal. These healthcare workers are suffering long-lasting emotional trauma, again, for YOU and for all of us to right this ship. And yet, the utter selfishness on display is jarring and insulting. What's worse is the laughable accusation that the rest of us are apparently lacking respect? Piss right off.
Honestly, at this point, there's nothing left to say and if I had my way, posts like the above would lead to a straight ban. And not because we're trying to silence your speech or that we're oppressing you all, but because it is clear you have no decency for your fellow man.
Calling for the ban or censorship of others who have different opinions then the one being played out by the media is one of the biggest issues today. We all have the right to voice our opinions and debate it whether you like it or not. If this is taken away, we're essentially living in a totalitarianism society which is very dangerous to our freedom of speech. For those who disagree this (and there will be many in this forum), I suggest watching this video with Russell Brand on Covid & Censorship, as it might help you understand the importance of why people should not be censored. While you're there, take a look at the like to dislike ratio of the video, as well as the comments section and you'll see that many people have concerns about the censorship that has played out over the last few years.
Calling for the ban or censorship of others who have different opinions then the one being played out by the media is one of the biggest issues today. We all have the right to voice our opinions and debate it whether you like it or not. If this is taken away, we're essentially living in a totalitarianism society which is very dangerous to our freedom of speech. For those who disagree this (and there will be many in this forum), I suggest watching this video with Russell Brand on Covid & Censorship, as it might help you understand the importance of why people should not be censored. While you're there, take a look at the like to dislike ratio of the video, as well as the comments section and you'll see that many people have concerns about the censorship that has played out over the last few years.
Nah bro your posts have been reprehensible in this thread.
Spouting off misinformation and straight lies. Then when called on it you throw up "free speech".
####ing appalling.
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Great job by the Jets and Raiders leading the charge and getting this out early, and the Maple Leafs/Raptors and Saints following suit to an extent.
Generally, I avoid the dip####s of society as much as possible both in professional and personal life as my time, to me, is too valuable to spend hand-holding idiots. And that isn't an insult to those of you who spend countless hours trying to educate these people and convince them otherwise - you are truly better people than I am but I simply do not have the patience, or sympathy, necessary to join you. As someone who attends the Saddledome 30+ times a year, spending tens of thousands of dollars annually, any effort that minimizes the volume of morons in attendance gets my full support and I will voice this to my account representative.
Hopefully the Flames do everything possible to inconvenience the anti-vaccination crowd, up to and including outright banning them from the arena, for as long as possible. At a minimum, the Flames should mandate the unvaccinated take a rapid test provided by the Flames and at a hugely marked up cost in addition to their event ticket to attend. Want to attend unvaccinated? You need to be at the arena a minimum of 30 minutes before puck drop and pay $500 for a rapid test. Oh, your ticket cost $100? Looks like you're paying $600 to attend tonight. We'll lose you as a fan? Good, we don't want you as a fan - #### off.
And before the whiners bring up those who can't be vaccinated (because they really care about those people, right? Right?) obviously those people should be fully accommodated and expedited by the Flames.
One unintended benefit is the number of people who yell "shoot" during a powerplay, or who stand up on their cell phone waving at the camera during play, will be nearly fully eliminated and who doesn't want that.
This was a beauty. Don't forget the amount of pounding on the glass should be reduced to near zero as well.
Calling for the ban or censorship of others who have different opinions then the one being played out by the media is one of the biggest issues today. We all have the right to voice our opinions and debate it whether you like it or not. If this is taken away, we're essentially living in a totalitarianism society which is very dangerous to our freedom of speech. For those who disagree this (and there will be many in this forum), I suggest watching this video with Russell Brand on Covid & Censorship, as it might help you understand the importance of why people should not be censored. While you're there, take a look at the like to dislike ratio of the video, as well as the comments section and you'll see that many people have concerns about the censorship that has played out over the last few years.
So instead of censorship if someone follows you blatantly false information posted and died or was hospitalized as a result would you be willing to be held liable for it?
Yeah there is a vast difference vs free speech and out right lying or spreading misinformation. There is a reason that trump was punted from the platform, it is really damaging because people take that information as trusted information. Social media has become a pandora's box where it is just to easy to fake a screen capture or post an older article trying to pass it off as news today. Like the one I heard making the rounds yesterday, where people are trying to pass off an article from 7 months ago about the Pfizer CEO not having his shots as a new story. Claiming why should you vaccinate when the CEO hasn't. A simple google search shows the article was from before he received his second shot in March. People shouldn't have to spend a second debunking crap like that, but by the time they do it has made its way through how many millions of people.
Fact is the goal posts have moved from the initial covid virus and I applaud the organizations that are willing to make the stand to make a difference. If they can get even one person to switch, then it is worth it.
If anyone was on the fence about getting vaccinated and came to read this thread, Fireitup's ridiculous statements and the compete debunking of everything he has said would only help those people make the right decision.
No one is gonna read his posts and think I wanna side with that guy!
If anyone was on the fence about getting vaccinated and came to read this thread, Fireitup's ridiculous statements and the compete debunking of everything he has said would only help those people make the right decision.
No one is gonna read his posts and think I wanna side with that guy!
Oh sweet summer child...
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Nah bro your posts have been reprehensible in this thread.
Spouting off misinformation and straight lies. Then when called on it you throw up "free speech".
####ing appalling.
Clearly, you didn't watch or understand the message in the video. It's the censorship and misinformation fed to the masses over the last few years that's the real problem. What's "####ing appalling" is that most people like you can't see it. In the end, I'm okay if they ban all unvaccinated people for attending hockey games or big gatherings. This way, if and most likely when the virus spreads at those events, they can't blame the unvaccinated for spreading the virus. Then we'll see the media pushing out information that the vaccines aren't as effective as they thought, and that a third or yearly booster shots are recommended. And I'm sure you'll be the first to line up for the next jab.
Clearly, you didn't watch or understand the message in the video. It's the censorship and misinformation fed to the masses over the last few years that's the real problem. What's "####ing appalling" is that most people like you can't see it. In the end, I'm okay if they ban all unvaccinated people for attending hockey games or big gatherings. This way, if and most likely when the virus spreads at those events, they can't blame the unvaccinated for spreading the virus. Then we'll see the media pushing out information that the vaccines aren't as effective as they thought, and that a third or yearly booster shots are recommended. And I'm sure you'll be the first to line up for the next jab.
Yes. Without hesitation. Why? Because there's no reason not to do so. Not one. Nada.
BTW, FDA is about to permanently approve these vaccines next week for all those worried that it's only been given an "emergency approval".
Clearly, you didn't watch or understand the message in the video. It's the censorship and misinformation fed to the masses over the last few years that's the real problem. What's "####ing appalling" is that most people like you can't see it. In the end, I'm okay if they ban all unvaccinated people for attending hockey games or big gatherings. This way, if and most likely when the virus spreads at those events, they can't blame the unvaccinated for spreading the virus. Then we'll see the media pushing out information that the vaccines aren't as effective as they thought, and that a third or yearly booster shots are recommended. And I'm sure you'll be the first to line up for the next jab.
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Got the 3rd shot (booster) yesterday.
Wife got the 3rd one last Monday.
Lightly sore deltoid and a minimal headache.
The strongest scientific data says extremely high percentage that we will have no Covid hospitalization or ,even more improbable, ICU, moving forward.
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Clearly, you didn't watch or understand the message in the video. It's the censorship and misinformation fed to the masses over the last few years that's the real problem. What's "####ing appalling" is that most people like you can't see it. In the end, I'm okay if they ban all unvaccinated people for attending hockey games or big gatherings. This way, if and most likely when the virus spreads at those events, they can't blame the unvaccinated for spreading the virus. Then we'll see the media pushing out information that the vaccines aren't as effective as they thought, and that a third or yearly booster shots are recommended. And I'm sure you'll be the first to line up for the next jab.
You're complaining about misinformation? Really? Pretty sure every point you've laughingly tried to make has been thoroughly, factually, and scientifically debunked. Misinformation like you've been trying to spread has a debilitating effect on people, because it can actually harm people and cause death.
Free speech only goes so far. You can't call out "FIRE!" in a crowded place and not face consequences for those actions when the resulting stampede leaves people hurt or worse.
People spreading dumb stuff that leads to death and injury when it's easily disproved also shouldn't be covered under free speech. It's not a matter of banning something you don't agree with, although of course you'd try to frame it that way. It's banning something that is absolutely wrong, although people like you seem to have such a hard time admitting facts and deluding yourselves while like-minded people die all around you. Darwinism in action.
So no, pleading for your right so spread more harm just makes you an even worse person.
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As I've stated before, if people feel the need to get vaccinated that's perfectly fine. Just don't push others to get vaccinated if they don't feel the need for it. The freedom to choose should always be every individuals choice and there is no need to shame those who don't get vaccinated.
As I've stated before, if people feel the need to get vaccinated that's perfectly fine. Just don't push others to get vaccinated if they don't feel the need for it. The freedom to choose should always be every individuals choice and there is no need to shame those who don't get vaccinated.
Your ignorance and misinformation will cost lives.
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There shouldn't be a choice. You should get the vaccine unless you're one of the very few in society who legitimately can't, because that's the only chance we collectively have of defeating Covid, you imbecile.
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As I've stated before, if people feel the need to get vaccinated that's perfectly fine. Just don't push others to get vaccinated if they don't feel the need for it. The freedom to choose should always be every individuals choice and there is no need to shame those who don't get vaccinated.
If people want to choose to not be vaccinated against a disease that kills people and spreads quickly, then part of that choice should be to not participate in the benefits of living in a society. Like going to parties, and hockey games, and schools, and travel, and anywhere they can interact with other people.
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As I've stated before, if people feel the need to get vaccinated that's perfectly fine. Just don't push others to get vaccinated if they don't feel the need for it. The freedom to choose should always be every individuals choice and there is no need to shame those who don't get vaccinated.
At this point, I feel confident in stating that it is impossible for you to be (feel) shamed.
As I've stated before, if people feel the need to get vaccinated that's perfectly fine. Just don't push others to get vaccinated if they don't feel the need for it. The freedom to choose should always be every individuals choice and there is no need to shame those who don't get vaccinated.
Whatever, man. If the worst thing you experience during this pandemic is a bit of shame? I'd say you got off very ####ing light.
We are in crisis and you're worried about people feeling ashamed of their decision to not help solve that crisis. Hard to care about that when there's life or death, severe economic impacts, and serious anxiety disorders developing because of this ####.
IF you seriously feel no moral obligation to your fellow man to alleviate their concerns as much as possible by helping contribute to the solution, then I seriously wonder about your moral compass.
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