I legit haven’t heard any reasonable points against vaccination. Troutman is a very reasonable intelligent poster so I’m curious to see what his team mates examples were.
For example, not everyone can get the vaccines for personal medical reasons, but may have other protections in place.
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For example, not everyone can get the vaccines for personal medical reasons, but may have other protections in place.
So it comes down to trust. Trust that person is not lying about the medical condition or the alleged protections in place. Or create a team policy that a real doctors note is needed to confirm (doesn't need to confirm what) that vaccines are not an option.
Doesn't seem like an overly complex objection to counter with a solution.
So it comes down to trust. Trust that person is not lying about the medical condition or the alleged protections in place. Or create a team policy that a real doctors note is needed to confirm (doesn't need to confirm what) that vaccines are not an option.
Doesn't seem like an overly complex objection to counter with a solution.
Plus, there are significantly different vaccines (eg AZ is not an mRNA). I have no idea what the protections could be. Six foot distancing would give a real advantage to those small shifty guys though.
For example, not everyone can get the vaccines for personal medical reasons, but may have other protections in place.
This is a legitimate reason, but it would be a very very small group. I'm pretty cynical about people self identifying as this group but do recognize that there are valid members.
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The arguing is silly, but I do appreciate those who instantly debunk erroneous "facts" presented by these yahoos. It's best to not add to the spread of disinformation by snuffing it out quickly in these forums, lest someone on the fence starts to actually believe it.
You argue with the crazies in order to help those on the fence. You will never move the person with their legs planted deep into the ground, but you might able to move the person with only their feet in the ground.
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Some people are allergic, some have weakened immune systems. Many valid reasons.
Well, ones with weakened immune systems probably should not be attending crowded hockey games anyways. (I am sure what you could catch at a hockey game would more then likely be worse then a vaccine)
Well, ones with weakened immune systems probably should not be attending crowded hockey games anyways. (I am sure what you could catch at a hockey game would more then likely be worse then a vaccine)
Thanks for bringing this back to hockey attendance - I'm glad someone finally did.
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Great job by the Jets and Raiders leading the charge and getting this out early, and the Maple Leafs/Raptors and Saints following suit to an extent.
Generally, I avoid the dip####s of society as much as possible both in professional and personal life as my time, to me, is too valuable to spend hand-holding idiots. And that isn't an insult to those of you who spend countless hours trying to educate these people and convince them otherwise - you are truly better people than I am but I simply do not have the patience, or sympathy, necessary to join you. As someone who attends the Saddledome 30+ times a year, spending tens of thousands of dollars annually, any effort that minimizes the volume of morons in attendance gets my full support and I will voice this to my account representative.
Hopefully the Flames do everything possible to inconvenience the anti-vaccination crowd, up to and including outright banning them from the arena, for as long as possible. At a minimum, the Flames should mandate the unvaccinated take a rapid test provided by the Flames and at a hugely marked up cost in addition to their event ticket to attend. Want to attend unvaccinated? You need to be at the arena a minimum of 30 minutes before puck drop and pay $500 for a rapid test. Oh, your ticket cost $100? Looks like you're paying $600 to attend tonight. We'll lose you as a fan? Good, we don't want you as a fan - #### off.
And before the whiners bring up those who can't be vaccinated (because they really care about those people, right? Right?) obviously those people should be fully accommodated and expedited by the Flames.
One unintended benefit is the number of people who yell "shoot" during a powerplay, or who stand up on their cell phone waving at the camera during play, will be nearly fully eliminated and who doesn't want that.
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It is just sad to see people so obsessed over the "survival rate" when "long covid" the long-term effects of getting covid is the biggest concern.
People are getting all kinds of long-term illnesses and health problems after contracting Covid.
My friend's father is 65, he was the outdoors guy, hiking, hunting, always out and about. Today he's walking with an oxygen tank, struggles to have the energy to get out to his car, he's aged dramatically when I saw a recent picture of him, he now looks like he's in his 80s.
But yeah, worry about the death rate, and ignore the millions who will have long-term serious health problems because of Covid, SMRT.
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It is just sad to see people so obsessed over the "survival rate" when "long covid" the long-term effects of getting covid is the biggest concern.
People are getting all kinds of long-term illnesses and health problems after contracting Covid.
My friend's father is 65, he was the outdoors guy, hiking, hunting, always out and about. Today he's walking with an oxygen tank, struggles to have the energy to get out to his car, he's aged dramatically when I saw a recent picture of him, he now looks like he's in his 80s.
But yeah, worry about the death rate, and ignore the millions who will have long-term serious health problems because of Covid, SMRT.
These people don't care about the death rate . They are bad faith actors. They only care about death rate blah blah blah because anything else " oppressisives " them. I can't do this like before so I'm oppressed. I can't not wear my mask to get gas and fatty treats. That's oppressive.. #### you!!! You don't know what oppressive is . You spoiled little babies... you can go to a store with out a mask so you think your oppressed? You don't know #### except how to whine . You know how my grand mother knew it was time to move to Canada? Literal Nazis kicked in their door down, killed 6 family members as they were busting in as the rest of the family that survived scrambled out the back door. That's actual oppression. Being asked to be vaccinated and wear masks is not oppression it just sound medical advice to keep us all INCLUDING you safe. It's not a conspiracy. The government doesn't want to only Kill the "sheeple. They are the only part of the population that listens to them so why woul they want them to take a " dangerous vaccine " juat to be left with the pain in the qss population that doesn't listen to them at all?
These people have no inkling of compassion for any one else but them selves ..restrictions and heath orders, vaccines etc are just a tiny bit of an inconvenience to them so they throw ####ing fits like toddlers. I don't actually believe the majority of people anti Vax care about the anti Vax positions concerns . I think the majority of them are just the type of people to be #######s and rebel just cause the majority are 8 favour of it. I know the type I was that type growing up ( with reasonable extant) . I also just think it is fueled by uneducated masses as well. But I digress.
We have a group of the same type of people always down at the inner Harbour park here in Nanaimo daily "protesting from 7am to 10pm. Complains covid is a conspiracy and blames it on no jobs yet had been here since I moved in February. 7 days a week. Maybe it's not a conspiracy and your just always protesting a " conspiracy " and not looking for a job. Also why are you made at restrictions? You've been sitting in the same spot for 6 + months! How does it really affect you?
Anyways the main point I was trying to make before the tangent was these people spouting " Freedumb!" Are just selfish . They are not going it with others in mind . They are just scared little cowards that can't see past there own bubbles. To be fair that's human nature we are selfish #######s. The only reason that Humams have gotten this far is because there is a majority of our contingency that realises the good of other benifiets me. That's a natural survival instinct. That's how we domesticated the dog as an example...
I've gotten to the point where we need to seperate the wheat from the chaff. I'm a tolerant man but times are a trying . A good culling from the selfish might not be so bad.
Also to put it back on topic . You wanna see a hockey game get vaccinated . It's a privilege not a right . It's a luxury , not a birth right. If you don't want a vaccine get cable or do what I do 1000 kms plus away subscribe to NHL.tv .. beers, whiskey and food are cheaper. The seats are more comfortable. The viewing angles are always great. And as a bonus I can start the game 1 hour latter and skip the intermission and commercials.
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It's ironic that the ones preaching they want to save lives, are the same ones who want to make life difficult for the people who disagree with them. We live in a country where we have the freedom to choose whether or not to get vaccinated, and for some reason, it's now okay to shame and segregate the people that aren't okay with vaccines.
Do you know fetal tissues are used in vaccines from various aborted fetuses from the 1970's and 1980's? The Pfizer & Moderna vaccines performed tests using fetal cell lines and Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development and production. Vaccines have also been linked to things like autism over the years. If more people knew things like this about the vaccines, I'm sure less people would okay with taking them. Now, if someone would rather take the over 99% chance of beating Covid without a vaccine (fact) over getting the jab, that's perfectly fine.
This post should be a bannable offence. Seriously. This garbage is terrible, dangerous and should have no place in any credible forum (online or elsewhere).
This thread has been IMO, the worst thread I have ever read through on CP. I mentioned in a previous post that I have tried to stay out of all the political nonsense this pandemic has dredged up but I love coming to CP and man, it's just so sad.
I'm not going to comment further on all the downplaying with "oh it's 99% survival" or whatever is being thrown around, but the effects of this pandemic is so much farther reaching than people might think.
People are showing up with terrible cancers way past the point of any treatment because they're afraid of hospitals. Families are being told they are not able to have a full complement of visitors to see loved ones that are dying because of restrictions, and these aren't people dying of COVID. Healthcare providers are traumatized by having to watch people die alone or to faciliate final phone calls or window visits because of this.
And before you say, it's not "our" fault, it's all these restrictions or some greater than thou BS about trying to fight for society's freedom, stop, just stop. These patients and families are sacrificing precious final moments for YOU, for all of us so that we can hopefully get things back to normal. These healthcare workers are suffering long-lasting emotional trauma, again, for YOU and for all of us to right this ship. And yet, the utter selfishness on display is jarring and insulting. What's worse is the laughable accusation that the rest of us are apparently lacking respect? Piss right off.
Honestly, at this point, there's nothing left to say and if I had my way, posts like the above would lead to a straight ban. And not because we're trying to silence your speech or that we're oppressing you all, but because it is clear you have no decency for your fellow man.
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Well, ones with weakened immune systems probably should not be attending crowded hockey games anyways. (I am sure what you could catch at a hockey game would more then likely be worse then a vaccine)
The conversation is about covid, so that yes, but it would apply to anything else that is contagious.( I am not saying that people with weakened immunity should be barred, just that if it is so bad that their system can’t handle a vaccine they shouldn’t be in a crowded facility)
